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Any way round using adobe flash player (Solved thanks)
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Dec 2010, 14:16    Post subject:  Any way round using adobe flash player (Solved thanks)  

hello
I use a site for language learning called livemocha com. It unfortunately uses adobe flash player for recording audio to the site. Is there any way round using it, or if I have to install it how do I do it and what should I install.
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Dec 2010, 14:24    Post subject:  

If the site has been developed with flashplayer, you have to abide with it.
It's not a puppy issue.
Eventually contact a responsible person of the site to discuss the problem.

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Dec 2010, 14:40    Post subject:  

Thanks Beem
Thats a shame as its a good site but I will try your suggestion and send them an email.
All the best.
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Dec 2010, 14:45    Post subject:  

I have seen indeed 'flashplayer applications' in which a mike had to be activated.
I suppose you have a mike and that you can connect it to the 'flashplayer application'
In any case for learning a language it seems a logical approach to me.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Dec 2010, 23:46    Post subject:  

Using Spanish as an example: The problem for the English speaking
student is trying to learn by reading. He will lay way to heavy an accent
on words he can pronounce and likely mess up other words completely.

The website in question, livemocha com, gives the user visual aids,
written text and audio at the same time.

As far as audio recordings, the website allows the user to skip them.

I learned Spanish by listening. I think by my own experience learning the
spoken language is 90% listening.

If one hears the words enough times, without mixing his preconceived
ideas of how they should be pronounced according to English
pronunciation, he will likely say them close to the native Spanish.

Also, in my (stubborn) opinion the key to mastering Spanish is mastering
the verbs.

The Spanish verb system can drive an English speaker nuts until it is
learned. How can they say in one word that which might take us three
words?

Later, you might 'get' that the Spanish verb system is more sensible.

Plus, Spanish doesn't have near the exceptions that English does.

Moreover, it is phonetic. Native Spanish speakers don't ask each other
how to say a word or how to spell it. If they can say it, they can spell it. If
they can read it, they can say it.

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 00:19    Post subject:  

Number 77, what is the problem?

Is it that you cannot click "allow" to access your microphone? I had this problem when trying to access a flash based webcam site.

To get that to work, you may need to go to Adobe's flash settings page to allow access for that website. http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html On the "Website Privacy Settings Panel" click the sixth tab, and it should have the websites listed that you need to allow access control to, including livemocha. Change the settings to "always allow", and that should enable your microphone recording for the site.

Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 00:25    Post subject:  

After looking over the very find website I noted; one can download .mp3
(and other) files in .zip packages

The .mp3 file teaching curriculum is (1) words or phrase in the language
one wants to learn, (2) followed by the words or phrase in the student's
native language for number (1).

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Dec 2010, 15:27    Post subject:  

Bruceb m8 its easy to listen to the language all day if you want, just receive their satellite transmissions. But there comes a time when you need to speak and get some feedback and in livemocha you can record to the site and get other members to comment on your pronunciation, its very usefull.
The problem is as 310Don says, cant allow access to the mike. Will try going to settings page. Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun 26 Dec 2010, 15:48    Post subject:  

Paul m8
That did the trick and I can now put submissions on livemocha in linux.
Another step in getting rid of windows altogether.
All the best and happy Boxing day
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Dec 2010, 14:45    Post subject:  

number77 wrote:
Bruceb m8 its easy to listen to the language all day if
you want, just receive their satellite transmissions.


It is easy, but one would have to know the language or at least have
some proficiency with it in order for it to be helpful.

number77 wrote:
But there comes a time when you need to speak and
get some feedback and in livemocha you can record to the site and get
other members to comment on your pronunciation, its very usefull.


Livemocha is as good site as I've ever seen.

If you are learning from English to Spanish, you have a strong
pronunciation advantage. We already have our tongues trained for almost
all Spanish sounds. The only sounds we aren't trained for that I can think
of is the r and rr sounds.

Yet for some reason, if we learn as adults, we still end up with an English
accent according to where we learned our English.

On the bright side most Spanish speakers enjoy listening to our accents.
When the senoritas start falling for you, make sure they didn't fall for you
because of your accent.

I found a site that has both short and long audio books for free, when you
are ready.

http://www.leerescuchando.net/

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Dec 2010, 11:52    Post subject:  

Thanks Bruce B
Im not learning spanish yet. I am concentrating on french and my mouth is definitely the wrong shape for that.
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Dec 2010, 20:50    Post subject:  

number77
As your issue is solved, for the sake of fellow posters can you edit the subject of your initial post and add [SOLVED] to it.
Bonne chance avec vos lessons de Français.

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Dec 2010, 02:50    Post subject:  

number77 wrote:
Thanks Bruce B
Im not learning spanish yet. I am concentrating on french and my mouth is definitely the wrong shape for that.


Our language learning abilities are harder as adults. My workaround is try
harder.

After your post, I decided to start re-practicing so I don't lose what I
know. Also to keep sharp.

One phenomena we have with all languages including our mother
language is our recognition vocabulary becomes significantly larger than
our functional vocabulary.

Tip: Practice the art of tolerating the new language. Learn to listen without
thinking and learn to listen with thinking. I'll explain.

    Not thinking: The reason why not to think is; we encounter the
    speaker using words and idiomatic expressions we don't understand. If we
    stop and think about the word we didn't understand, we lose focus on a
    dozen or more words following. This is were we need to learn to tolerate
    the art of listening and only partially understanding.

    Thinking: Often, if we think about the word we didn't understand, we can
    figure out what it means by the context it was used.


It is easy to find beginner and intermediate level lessons. Where I've had
problems is finding advanced lessons.

After your post an idea occurred to me. Get DVDs in spoken English and
French with subtitles. Watch them in both languages repeatedly.

One last comment. A problem I have speaking with others in Spanish is
when they speak too fast. People want to communicate successfully and
I've found if I ask the speaker to speak more slowly, they are pleased to
do so.

Good luck

Bruce

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