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#31 Post by Iguleder »

Alright, it's here. At the moment I'm compiling it to test my partial intel_idle backport and make sure it boots.

My previous build didn't, I replaced vmlinuz with a new one, hoping this thing will boot, so maybe it failed because the modules could not be loaded. The two kernels were very different, so maybe that's why it failed.

Anyway, 2.6.35.x was declared "longterm" and I really hope this kernel is going to work. I think I could also backport Squashfs from 2.6.36.1, since it has LZO support.
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#32 Post by johnnywinner »

01micko wrote:johnnywinner.. nice desktop! Where did you get the tint 2 (version please) and openbox packages? As for the suspend issue it could be to do with rfkill, I didn't look at the kernel configuration but I believe it is disabled. It also could be a video driver issue .. some more info from you please? (Computer model, vid driver)
tint2-0.11 and openbox-3.4.11.2, straight from PPM, worked fine. I'll make my own with slkbuild or src2pkg, but wanted to put the desktop together quickly.

Model name is Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor. Video driver: i915 (Intel).

Hope that helps!

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Here is my /proc/cpuinfo, if that's of use:
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 13
model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz
stepping : 8
cpu MHz : 1862.131
cache size : 2048 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx up bts est tm2
bogomips : 3724.26
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
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#33 Post by Stripe »

Hi all

Printer sorted thanks 01micko

Devx looks great have just compiled vlc 1.1.5 just need to be able to run it as root now (to sort the dependencies), think I need a hex editor to alter the binary (unless someone knows different?)

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#34 Post by Iguleder »

Stripe, I think VLC had some option in its configure script.

And by the way, thanks - 01micko, I'm downloading the ISO - I need a Puppy for my netbook, something I can use at least for a month :lol:

And by the way, do you want the minxcal replacement I wrote? minixcal is annoying - it doesn't close and if you look at the sources, they no longer compile, this package is ancient. I decided to write a simple calendar application based on a Hello World and minixcal (I took just the lines that deal with the calendar widget and modified them).

EDIT: I'll attach it, I talk too much.

EDIT 2: eeeek, the PET doesn't work, the "minixcal" script is not in PATH or something. Just download the sources and copy minixcal to /usr/bin.
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#35 Post by 01micko »

Iguleder wrote:Stripe, I think VLC had some option in its configure script..
Yes, I think so too.
Iguleder wrote: EDIT: I'll attach it, I talk too much.

EDIT 2: eeeek, the PET doesn't work, the "minixcal" script is not in PATH or something. Just download the sources and copy minixcal to /usr/bin.
No worries, I'll take a look :wink:

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#36 Post by Stripe »

Thanks Iguleder

You take care and stay safe

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#37 Post by Iguleder »

Well, got 4 days and Debian Sid is too crazy, so I can't make a "instant Puppy" recipe. So I guess I'll be on the spup front, at least for now :lol:

I'm trying to build a spup for personal use, if I see any problems I'll report them right away. Working with Debian and Ubuntu wooflets improves bug-related skills, indeed :lol:

I think Slackware is the best candidate for a retro-Puppy ... it would be more than nice to have a release-quality Slackware wooflet :)

By the way: a small bugfix you can apply right away: /etc/fonts/local.conf, uncomment stuff. Fixes font problems in Mozilla Browsers and maybe in other apps too.
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#38 Post by 01micko »

<rant>
Iguleder,
Slackware is really the "art" of linux. It has always been one of my favourites. I started out with RedHat, then Mandrake and delved into Slackware, but often it was way over my head. Now I have the ability to understand exactly what a script (or even C/C++ source) is supposed to do it all becomes somewhat clear.

Patrick Volkerding must be the master of shell script. It is just elegant. My scripts look like a herd of elephants jumped all over them! But I conjoured the energy. Take a look at my alien2puppy script. It actually handles the Slackware 'doinst.sh' in a Slackware way.. converted to a .pet style! I amazed my self! That's the day I became a developer :wink: .

I have a vision. The *.Slackbuild method is superb, and super easy, just grab the source and run the script.. all gets packaged... take it a step further and run 'new2dir', all gets packaged properly! A simple hack to Patrick's *.Slackbuild's could revolutionalise puppy packaging (at least for spup :wink: ).

Bad luck you have to go away for awhile. On the bright side though, you'll be back! And there will be a bunch of exciting stuff happening here you can bet :wink:
</rant>

About to test font fix.

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#39 Post by Stripe »

Hi all

I had to compile emacs to edit the vlc binary (config file was only in the static version) If anyone wants vlc-1.1.5.pet (9.8mb) (english version with all dependencies compiled in spup) here is the download link:
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BwWD08 ... 3&hl=en_GB

If anyone wants an emacs 23.2 pet (39mb) just ask and I will put it up

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Thanks ttuuxxx its so much easier compiling in ram

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#40 Post by 01micko »

Whoa! Stripe!

Excellent stuff! Did you happen to save the NLS stuff for VLC? If so can you upload it?

And.. why not put up the emacs pet to boot.. :)

Cheers!

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#41 Post by Stripe »

Hi all

vlc-1.1.5-ml.pet (multi locale version 16mb) download:
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BwWD08 ... y&hl=en_GB

Cheers
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edited to add: download for emacs-23.2-spup.pet(39mb):
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BwWD08 ... m&hl=en_GB

no missing dependencies but may need some fine tuning

aarf

#42 Post by aarf »

micko just did a new boot exactly the same as my first boot and there was no problem with bold a and r in rox, an no black text on yellow background appeared during wep wifi connect.
no ideas at this end sorry

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#43 Post by gnz11 »

hey micko01. looking good so far.sound at boot . no video issues. auto connect no prob.

some things:
1 no screensaver- it turned my monitor topwersaveingmode. might sugest adding xscreensaver to it.

2. yay link in new window works in xchat!! thank you. please post that somewher so that it can be repeated across Puppy.

that's about it so far, only on for about 8 hrs. i will give more feed back after i try it out on my dell lappy.


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Processor Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1300MHz
Memory 384MB (151MB used)
Operating System Puppy Linux 0.05
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Lite-On LTN486 48x Max
_NEC NR-7800A
SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro
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nf_conntrack
nf_defrag_ipv4
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ac97_bus
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ltmodem LSI pci modem driver
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snd Advanced Linux Sound Architecture driver for soundcards.
soundcore Core sound module
3c59x 3Com 3c59x/3c9xx ethernet driver
mii MII hardware support library
emu10k1_gp EMU10k1 gameport driver
gameport Generic gameport layer
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pcspkr PC Speaker beeper driver
i2c_i801 I801 SMBus driver
i2c_core I2C-Bus main module
intel_agp
fbcon
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parport
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nls_cp437
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#44 Post by Iguleder »

Hey 01micko, I compiled a bunch of apps, here. They're around 2 MB in total (no NLS/DOC/DEV) and ~5.5 MB with NLS.

The repo has Viewnior, Transmission, Leafpad, IguCal (my minixcal replacement), Parcellite, Ppower (my power schemes tray icon), Asunder, Xchat, Xpad and more. Tomorrow I want to compile a small Geany and more apps, maybe LXTask/LXRandR (can't live without those), office apps and a browser.

I compiled them on a Debian Sid Puppy, but since Debian Squeeze and Lupu are 99% compatible, these should work on spup too.

Take a look at the package sizes for Transmission, DeaDBeeF and Homebank, I can't believe I got them so small :D

EDIT: eeek, I see bloat on the multimedia front. I think I'll try to compile ffmpeg and mplayer if I find the time.
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#45 Post by Stripe »

Hi all

01micko, I have just installed shinobars 1st run pet in the 051 sfs, is there an easy way to get it to boot to desktop (without a save file) using the default settings I have set in the firstrun pet code? (instead of the usual manual kernel set up) or do I need to look at the way lucid is set up?

I have 051 installed on a usb drive and am running it in ram mode all of the time, and instead of altering the sfs config files to make it usable on only one machine, I am trying to use the first run wizard so that it will automatically set the screen resolution for different machines. (without having to do it manually every time).

Sorry to be a pain
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#46 Post by 01micko »

Hi Stripe

Well, boot to desktop is certainly a possibility. It has been part of xorg since xorg 7.4. It was not my intention to enable that feature (kinda got plenty of other stuff to do atm :wink: )

Certainly take a look how playdayz does it with luci/lupu, the principle should be the same here and should most likely work. To be honest I haven't studied the relevant code. I did build a Lenny dpup some months ago with xorg-7.5 and it went straight to desktop without me touching anything! I didn't pursue that because Iguleder came out with his version plus mine a had a million other bugs to squash.

It could even be as simple as disabling xorgwizard.. if I recall, I didn't end up with xorgwizard in that dpup build.

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#47 Post by Iguleder »

Wow, spup is so awesome! :D

It's the first time I use a Slackware Puppy and it's simply incredible how stable and light it is! Consumes 80-90 MB with Parcellite, xbindkeys, Ppower and lots of other stuff that run in the background. 8)

I compiled a bunch of packages for it, here - those include a Firefox installer based on my FetchPet script. I also made a PET from the official binaries of Firefox 3.6.13, so the package can update itself - I tested this combo: I added the repo to PPM and the installer picked this PET :D

This is my attempt to write my own mini-Quickpet in the spirit of the UNIX philosophy :lol:

Now the mini-repo has mtPaint, xbindkeys, powertop and other goodies. xbindkeys is tuned to run LXTask on CTRL+ALT+DEL, acpitool -s on Fn+Zz and mtpaintsnapshot.sh on PrintScreen. I like it, very useful, especially for those with old Windows habits 8)

Some applications are more minimalistic (Osmo, for example - no contacts or notes), but generally, they're enough for most users. DeaDBeeF has support for just MP3, FLAC, Vorbis and WAV ... after all, why include a dedicated music player if it's not lighter than mplayer? JWM is compiled without the shape extension so no rounded corners (makes JWM a 'lil bit lighter and more elegant imho :lol:) and the jwmrc-tray has a terminal button. The DejaVu fonts PET has the four fonts Woof has, but not the LGC variants, to make sites in exotic languages such as Hebrew readable. This PET replaces the Woof fonts and the dejavu_fonts_extra PET has the rest of the DejaVu fonts.

Tomorrow I want to build a spup based directly on yours, 01micko, but include all those goodies to see how big it is. The Firefox trick saves around 10-15 MB already. All the packages (except the extra fonts PET, Flash and Firefox) are 5.7 MB without DOC/DEV/NLS and 13 MB with just NLS. I think it's quite good, considering the fact it's pretty much everything except Abiword, Gnumeric, ffmpeg and mplayer. These packages are quite small compared to other Puppy packages, so maybe they even save space ... Woof will tell :lol:

Anyway, enough for one day, time to get some sleep. 73 neatly trimmed and stripped packages in around 3 hours. Phew :P
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#48 Post by Stripe »

Thanks 01 micko for the ideas I will have a look,
I was not asking for it to be in spup 051 and I know you are doing more than enough (if not too much) with the commitments you have already, and doing a brilliant job of it as well. :wink:
I am just making a version that loads and runs totally in ram from a usb stick. I have it booting to desktop already in ram mode by initially making a save file then copying the needed config and program files to the main sfs (It already loads with my settings and programs as default without having a save file) Just like the idea of it self setting the video resolution, so that it would increase the amount of hardware it would be compatible with.

Cheers and thanks again
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#49 Post by Billtoo »

I just saw this new spup today.
Running live with a save file.
I installed the nvidia pet and exited to the prompt,did the
nvidia-xconfig and then xwin.The driver installed (my pc gets quieter
with the proper driver installed) but some odd results:

# glxgears
36668 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7333.600 FPS
51880 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10376.000 FPS
51897 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10379.400 FPS
51925 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10385.000 FPS
51897 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10379.400 FPS
#
# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Slack Puppy, version 051

Chip description:
07:02.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

Driver used by Xorg:
vesa

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#
Hardware acceleration is definately working but it says vesa is being
used.

I made some pets in spup but I see the apps in ppm, the htop I made is
newer so I'll attach that.
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#50 Post by Béèm »

Billtoo, what is the advantage of the newer htop?
Time savers:
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