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#76 Post by tommy »

Thank you sc0ttman, if those old .pets are unreachable I will try the compile thing. Geforce 4 aren't that old, I think these video drivers (and every other old video or non-video drivers) should have a place on puppy repos... Puppy IS THE DISTRO aiming at old hardware!!! This is true in a special way for Turbopup (based on 4.20), it runs even on pentium 133 MHz with 32MB ram :!: !!

Edited: thanks to Aitch, who posted the link below, now I have the geforce4 .pet for kernel 2.6.25.16!! I don't know how long the link will work, so if someone is interested in using this .pet with puparcade and geforce4, download it now!


http://www.mediafire.com/?v2rinm1afyv

Edited again: the driver works!!! Details on page 40 of Turbopup section in this forum!!

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#77 Post by sc0ttman »

tommy wrote:Thank you sc0ttman, if those old .pets are unreachable I will try the compile thing. Geforce 4 aren't that old, I think these video drivers (and every other old video or non-video drivers) should have a place on puppy repos... Puppy IS THE DISTRO aiming at old hardware!!! This is true in a special way for Turbopup (based on 4.20), it runs even on pentium 133 MHz with 32MB ram :!: !!

Edited: thanks to Aitch, who posted the link below, now I have the geforce4 .pet for kernel 2.6.25.16!! I don't know how long the link will work, so if someone is interested in using this .pet with puparcade and geforce4, download it now!


http://www.mediafire.com/?v2rinm1afyv

Edited again: the driver works!!! Details on page 40 of Turbopup section in this forum!!
Good news it worked :D
Enjoy your lovely OpenGL enabled retro gaming..

I have downloaded the drivers as well, so I can upload somewhere more permanent soon... Also, PA10 is based on TurboPup, and I was careful too keep things light, so if you disable the wallpaper and Wbar app launcher, then Puppy Arcade should use the same resources as TurboPup :)

And I agree with you about the PPM repos - they should have all the drivers in there, especially Nvidia, MESA and ATI, old and new!
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#78 Post by WireWulf »

that wouldn't be too hard assuming you can find a server to aim ppm at. I am still curious as to Atheros 9 wifi devices as they seem not to work even on turbo pup..but hey I do keep my eye on projects that interest me and so far, and as early as Arcade pup 3, I have been watching this one
are we who we think we are? or is this all a lie thought up by people whom we can not see?

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#79 Post by dukelukem »

Ummmm. You can call me a noob, newb, n3wb, or whatever but I can't get Puppy Arcade 10 to so much as boot on my relatively new desktop tower. The prompt always tells me:

Unlmzing Linux... done.
Booting the kernel.
Kernel panic - not syncing: VPS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,1)
_

^Exactly like that...

Can someone please help a poor misunderstood lover of all video games???????

EDIT: I'm *attempting to boot from a Live CD or whatever it's called.

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#80 Post by sc0ttman »

dukelukem wrote:Ummmm. You can call me a noob, newb, n3wb, or whatever but I can't get Puppy Arcade 10 to so much as boot on my relatively new desktop tower. The prompt always tells me:

Unlmzing Linux... done.
Booting the kernel.
Kernel panic - not syncing: VPS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,1)
_

^Exactly like that...

Can someone please help a poor misunderstood lover of all video games???????

EDIT: I'm *attempting to boot from a Live CD or whatever it's called.
I would firstly, verify the download and burn were done correctly.
If not, re-download or re-burn.

If everything was definitely downloaded and burned OK and it still won't work, post your hardware specs here, and we'll see what we can do. It may be that your PC is too new :roll:
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#81 Post by dukelukem »

Uh oh. Being too new is a problem??? Well I don't know 100% of its specs as a lot of them changed over the years. It was previously a WoW computer, so I figured this would be no trouble at all... Um some parts of it came shipped stock in 2003 as a WinXP Pro computer, the graphics and video cards are all from 2007, but I don't configure graphics until after it boots. I have been using the same rewritable CD though for a while it's been used and wiped and used countless times... Perhaps it's a bad CD? Maybe I could boot it from a USB flash drive (although I don't know how...)? Thank you!

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#82 Post by Volhout »

Hi Scottman,

Did not have luck with Arcade 10.

May target was to run Heretic (I have the original game, so the original WAD file) from (1Gbyte) USB stick, without any involvement from the XP on the machine.

Installed Arcade10 on USB stick using pendrive installer.
Booted from USB stick, and after playing around with video settings I settled on VESA 1024x768 (My LCD screen is 16x9, but haven't found a closer working resolution).

Wanted to install firefox 3.6 (to be able to access the forum), but it missed a screen full of libraries. Installer mentioned it was in the menu under internet, but couldn't find it. Bummer.

Selected Doom (bottom screen) and it installed a WAD file, and after success installed freedoom, and after success clicked on START in the configuration menu (didn't change any settings), and it started. I played a bit, and then wanted to shut down to create a save file (on the stick).

First time I tried "skip", and got a list of error message, some of wich said "read only file system".

New cold boot from USB, installed doom again, and carefully navigated through the shutdown menu to create a save file, and again, same list of error messages.

There is no "lock" switch on the USB key or what so-ever....and what is more, I never even came to a selection where to store the save file.

Not sure what is wrong, but you may bhave an idea...??

And now we are to it, does freedoom support network play.?

Volhout

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#83 Post by sc0ttman »

Volhout wrote:Hi Scottman,

Did not have luck with Arcade 10.
Shame... Let's see what we can do..
May target was to run Heretic (I have the original game, so the original WAD file) from (1Gbyte) USB stick, without any involvement from the XP on the machine.
I presume you are talking about making Heretic work in Prboom
I do not know if the Heretic WAD works in prboom, some do not..
Installed Arcade10 on USB stick using pendrive installer.
Booted from USB stick
I recommend to install using the 'Frugal Installer' - view the Puppy Arcade README for more info.
after playing around with video settings I settled on VESA 1024x768 (My LCD screen is 16x9, but haven't found a closer working resolution).
What gfx card do you have? To get the correct resolution, it may help to install OpenGL drivers.. Either MESA, Xorg_full_dri, Nvidia or ATI... Depending on what card you have, obviously.

Links to the OpenGL drivers are in the first post of this thread.
Wanted to install firefox 3.6 (to be able to access the forum), but it missed a screen full of libraries. Installer mentioned it was in the menu under internet, but couldn't find it. Bummer.
Firefox works fine, ignore the missing deps message... you probably just forgot to choose "refresh menu" after installing, this is required on older pups, it says so after the .pet installs.

Type 'firefox' or 'firefox-bin' (I forgot which) into the terminal and see...
I played a bit, and then wanted to shut down to create a save file (on the stick)....and got a list of error message, some of which said "read only file system". (tried again) to create a save file, and again, same list of error messages.
Creating a save file is a basic feature, I can assure you it works fine, if installed correctly. So I'm not too sure about your problem, never encountered that problem before.. And I would need more info to help..

- How are you booting? Do you have GRUB installed on your hard drive? What is the directory structure?

- Are you trying to make a save file at shutdown or before?

- What filesystem are you using for the partition which contains your Puppy Arcade install? FAT32? NTFS? EXT2?

- Can you edit files (or add new files) to the partition that reports to be 'read only'?

- Have you tried clicking the 'Save Settings' option in the 'Apps' menu before you shutdown?

....

I would recommend and ext2 filesystem on the USB, booting using GRUB, also on the USB.. Doing this using the 'Frugal Installer' should be easy.

If all else fails, you can try this: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=43553

Follow the link and install. Then you can manually create a blank save file. You should name it 'pup_save.2fs' and put it in the same directory as the 'pup_20.sfs' file.

does freedoom support network play.?

Volhout
I've no idea, it would depend on prboom .. There are newer packages for that on this thread as well.

Anyway, hope this helps, any more problems, post them here,
I'll do my best..
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#84 Post by sc0ttman »

dukelukem wrote:Uh oh. Being too new is a problem???
Much more likely is that it has not been installed quite right.
The bootloader (maybe GRUB) may be passing the wrong options to Puppy at first boot.

I would re-install, using the 'Frugal Installer' and see how it goes after that. Again, check links in the main post and view the README for more info!
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#85 Post by dukelukem »

Thank you so much sc0ttman! You are my hero. Really. Keep doing what you're doing!!!

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#86 Post by Volhout »

[quote]
- How are you booting? Do you have GRUB installed on your hard drive? What is the directory structure?
[quote]

The harddrive is something I cannot get to. This is a work PC with WIN on it, and I cannot use it for anything (company rules). My target is to create a stick that does not touch the harddrive at all.

[quote]
- Are you trying to make a save file at shutdown or before?
- What filesystem are you using for the partition which contains your Puppy Arcade install? FAT32? NTFS? EXT2?
[quote]
I installed arcade on a FAT32 usb stick, booted into puppy, and went to shutdown, trying to create a save file.

[quote]
- Can you edit files (or add new files) to the partition that reports to be 'read only'?
- Have you tried clicking the 'Save Settings' option in the 'Apps' menu before you shutdown?

I would recommend and ext2 filesystem on the USB, booting using GRUB, also on the USB.. Doing this using the 'Frugal Installer' should be easy.

If all else fails, you can try this: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=43553

Follow the link and install. Then you can manually create a blank save file. You should name it 'pup_save.2fs' and put it in the same directory as the 'pup_20.sfs' file.
[quote]

Will try this later today....

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#87 Post by kylechu »

I installed Puppy on the hard drive of an older computer. I want to be able to boot the roms from a flash drive, but I can't seem to navigate the rom browser to that flash drive to open any roms.

What am I doing wrong?

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#88 Post by sc0ttman »

kylechu wrote:I installed Puppy on the hard drive of an older computer. I want to be able to boot the roms from a flash drive, but I can't seem to navigate the rom browser to that flash drive to open any roms.

What am I doing wrong?
1. You need to mount the flash drive first. Use 'pmount'.
(Open the 'Apps' menu and go to 'View Drives')

You should make a note of which drive you are trying to access..
It will be called either sda1, sda2, sdb1, sdb2, sdb3, sdc1, or etc...

(You can also type "pmount" in the terminal to load it)

2. Then you need to make sure the drive with your roms is 'mounted' -
click on the drive in pmount and it will get mounted, so that it is available to use.

- If your roms are on the same partition as the pup_420.sfs file, it will already be mounted by default.

- If the roms are on the same partition as the pup_420.sfs, they can probably be found at
/initrd/mnt/dev_ro2/path/to/roms - before you create a save file

- If you have created a save file, and the roms are on the same drive as the pup_420.sfs file,
then they will be available at /mnt/home/path/to/roms

....

In the "Puppy Arcade Readme" there are tips on how to symlink the roms folder to simply /roms ...
Then you have a symlink (like a shortcut) to all your roms at the top level, aka '/'..
This makes your roms very easy to find.

For example, on my system, my roms are at /mnt/home/files/roms/
I created a symlink /roms that points to that folder.

So I can now browse my roms like: /roms/snes/mario.smc

and so on....

To create a symlink (shortcut):

Using the ROX file manager, you can basically drag the roms folder to anywhere convenient and choose 'Link absolute' ...
The shortcut will be created where you want, and point to your roms..

....

After you have found your rom dir, and maybe set up a quick symlink (shortcut) to it, then finding it in Rom-Loader should be as simple as using a normal file manager and browsing to the correct folder.
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#89 Post by kylechu »

The symlink worked perfectly. Thank you. :)

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need a remastered iso of puppy arcade

#90 Post by eatyourguitar »

I'm having an issue with puppy arcade 10 on CD not showing my internal IDE hard drive. its a known issue on older dell or compaq computers that have a hybrid IDE/SCSI controller. see this thread with the fix

long story short, I need someone to make a puppy arcade 10 ISO with the old kernel or the new kernel with support for my IDE controller. I'm using an old pentium 3 733mhz with a dell BIOS. I cant even boot from USB. but what I dont understand is that my IDE CDROM works fine to boot puppy arcade 10. its on the same IDE controller so why is able to boot but not see other IDE drives on the same controller?

if there is a way to put that IDE hard drive in another computer and load puppy arcade 10, I can do that. I saw the utility that comes with puppy that lets you copy a whole drive to another drive. will that work?

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Re: need a remastered iso of puppy arcade

#91 Post by sc0ttman »

eatyourguitar wrote:I'm having an issue with puppy arcade 10 on CD not showing my internal IDE hard drive. its a known issue on older dell or compaq computers that have a hybrid IDE/SCSI controller. see this thread with the fix

long story short, I need someone to make a puppy arcade 10 ISO with the old kernel or the new kernel with support for my IDE controller. I'm using an old pentium 3 733mhz with a dell BIOS. I cant even boot from USB. but what I dont understand is that my IDE CDROM works fine to boot puppy arcade 10. its on the same IDE controller so why is able to boot but not see other IDE drives on the same controller?

if there is a way to put that IDE hard drive in another computer and load puppy arcade 10, I can do that. I saw the utility that comes with puppy that lets you copy a whole drive to another drive. will that work?
Not sure exactly what's going on... I'm no expert on modules, drivers, hardware and kernels.... Sorry.. But what do know is that any problems you are having are 99% likely to be specific to puppy 4.2, not to Arcade itself - so this gives you some room to find others who have solved this..

I will have a look into it however, and will post what I learned, if anything! ;)

But also, as a stop gap, this may be of interest to you, and anyone else who wants a different kernel in their puppy arcade.. It is an easy way to change kernels in a remastered Puppy: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60180
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#92 Post by eatyourguitar »

I read that thread on remastering and I think I need a working linux computer with a native linux hard drive to start ripping apart 2 ISO's to make another ISO. it might be possible with thumb drives but thats pushing the limits of my equipment. I guess if all these distros are less than 200mb I could mount the usb stick and do it off a live cd as long as I can install the needed packages in ram or whatever. it just sucks that I have to install a package everytime I remaster an ISO after rebooting my live cd. I'm not sure this will work the first time. oh and even if I get the ISO, its stuck on a thumb drive thats now formatted native linux. I burn ISO's on windows. no burner in the old beater. can I do all this remastering stuff with my working disk (my usb stick) still in fat32?

if anyone on here can remaster it for me, I can do all the testing and feedback.

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#93 Post by sc0ttman »

eatyourguitar wrote:I read that thread on remastering and I think I need a working linux computer with a native linux hard drive to start ripping apart 2 ISO's to make another ISO.
I created a GUI tool for Puppy Linux to get around this exact problem! :D It is a tool in Puppy Arcade called 'Scratchfile Utility' (or similar) .. It's in Menu->Utilities as far as I remember... With this tool you can easily create a linux partition inside a file, the file can be on NTFS, FAT, etc ... then you just mount the file and use the ext2 partition inside as your working directory...

From within this ext2 partition, you can just follow the steps as described to change your kernel, should be easy..
it just sucks that I have to install a package every time I remaster an ISO after rebooting my live cd.
And you do not need to install any extra packages, maybe only the initrd-edit tools on the 'kernel switching' thread - its only about 2kb! The only 'packages' to download is the ISO from which you will steal the kernel.
I'm not sure this will work the first time.
If you follow the steps correctly, it will definitely work. All you have to do is follow the steps correctly, and choose the right kernel to switch to.
oh and even if I get the ISO, its stuck on a thumb drive thats now formatted native linux. I burn ISO's on windows. no burner in the old beater. can I do all this remastering stuff with my working disk (my usb stick) still in fat32?
Puppy Arcade has a burner (3 or 4, in fact), so even if you did have to re-format your USB drive (which you do not - just create a scratch file) you could just boot your USB on the other machine and burn from there...

Hope that helps,
sc0ttman
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#94 Post by eatyourguitar »

ok so I had some people helping me and I found a kernel that works with my IDE controller using a tiny core distro. kernel is 2.6.33.3-tinycore

from lspci -k I get PIIX_IDE is kernel driver. so I have found a working kernel driver but I need that in my puppy arcade 10 and the howto you linked is for mixing puppy kernels with other puppy distro's. I have since formatted my harddrive to ext2 and I have a working tiny core distro booting from the internal IDE hard drive. puppy arcade 10 is on 2.6.25.16. is there another puppy distro that has PIIX_IDE already in it? or can I recompile the 2.6.25.16 with PIIX_IDE? can I run puppy arcade in RAM and update the kernel over the internet?

is there a list of puppy distro's and what kernel each one is built on? why dont you remaster puppy arcade 10 to include better hardware support for everyone? I'm guessing there are no negative effects to using a more compatible IDE kernel driver in the next official build.

thanks for your help

...Rob

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#95 Post by eatyourguitar »

edit: lupu-540.iso is a custom distro compiled by another forum member that puts 2.6.32.40 in puppy 5.25. sorry for the confusion.

I'm running lupu-540.iso from a live cd and I mounted my IDE hard drive no problem. all the ISO's I need are on the hard drive. I'm gonna try the edit sfs thing you linked to. this lupu-540 has better max resolution. its not really desirable for maximum performance with emulators on my old pentium 3 but its really nice to run firefox at 1900x1080. my puppy arcade 10 was crashing the screen to garbage when I installed firedog. I'm hoping that this 2.6.32.40 thats in lupu 5.4 will help with pce emulator not running also.

the problem I'm having now is that the distro I'm running wont work with edit sfs and pup_420.sfs cause of the old squashfs thats in pup_420.sfs and the new squashfs thats in this lupu-540.iso that I'm on.

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