Installing Puppy - Which file system to use? Fat32 or ext2/3

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Sky Aisling · #166 Post by **Sky Aisling** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 02:00

To save pupsave-bak.2fs I did this:

In Safe Mode OS

Opened sda1
Opened sdb1 (USB stick)
Created new directory named 'PupSaves' on sdb1
Copied pupsave-bak.2fs into PupSaves folder
Copied pupsave-First_Time_Save_12_02_10.2fs into PupSaves folder

Took a screenshot of this.

Where to save on HDD?
Done with this procedure?

Sky Aisling · #167 Post by **Sky Aisling** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 02:10

A resend of my last post. Wifi cut out in middle, sorry if duplicate

Procedures done in Safe Mode OS

Opened sda1
Opened sdb1 (USB Stick)
Created new directory called SafePup in sdb1
Copied pupsave-bak.2fs into SafePup directory
Copied pupsave-First_Time_Save_12_02_10.2sf into SafePup directory

Location of copies: /mnt/sdb1/PupSaves

Took a screenshot

Where to save on HDD?
Done with procedure?

Hope wifi catches this time, it's getting cold in here.

Sky Aisling · #168 Post by **Sky Aisling** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 02:19

I rebooted
system asked for saving pupsave.2fs (?)
I took all the highlighted options
Reboot now shows gray screen choices Frugal or Safe Mode
I'll try Frugal and see where we go.

Sky Aisling · #169 Post by **Sky Aisling** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 02:27

Attempting to boot Frugal OS
I now have 4 choices of personal files to choose from: (all on sda1)
0
1 my first save
2 /pupsave-bak.2fs
3 /pupsave.2fs

This is getting to be fractal.
Now...what do I choose?
very tired very frustrated

rcrsn51 · #170 Post by **rcrsn51** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 02:33

If you read my instructions again, they said to NOT make another pupsave file.

Boot using your original pupsave and delete all the other ones.

Sky Aisling · #171 Post by **Sky Aisling** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 02:36

Sorry

Does this mean we have to start all over again?

Sky Aisling · #172 Post by **Sky Aisling** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 02:45

In Frugal OS

/mnt/home/

pupsave-2fs deleted
pupsave-bak.2fs deleted

Sky Aisling · #173 Post by **Sky Aisling** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 03:08

Is file pupsave-2fs that is saved to USB stick any good?
Is file pupsave-bak.2fs that is saved to USB stick any good?

rcrsn51 · #174 Post by **rcrsn51** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 03:10

Sky Aisling wrote:Is file pupsave-2fs that is saved to USB stick any good?
Is file pupsave-bak.2fs that is saved to USB stick any good?

No.
Your backup procedure is complete.

RetroTechGuy · #175 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 04:45

Sky Aisling wrote:Is file pupsave-2fs that is saved to USB stick any good?
Is file pupsave-bak.2fs that is saved to USB stick any good?

So now you have your original pupsave on the HDD, and a copy of your original pupsave on the flash drive.

You should be good to go.

Sky Aisling · #176 Post by **Sky Aisling** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 17:41

Is the file pupsave-First_Time_Save_12_02_10.2sf a save of the whole OS?
Is the file pupsave-First_Time_Save_12_02_10.2sf written over at the close of the OS (if the choice to save is given)?

rcrsn51 · #177 Post by **rcrsn51** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 17:46

Read here for a discussion of the various files that make up a frugal install.

In a regular frugal install to a hard drive, any changes you make are immediately written into the pupsave file.

Is the file pupsave-First_Time_Save_12_02_10.2sf a save of the whole OS?

No. The core Puppy files have a total size of over 100 MB. The pupsave file can be much smaller than that. It does not contain the core files. If you need to restore the core files, you can just copy them from the Live CD again.

RetroTechGuy · #178 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 18:44

rcrsn51 wrote:
Sky Aisling wrote:Is file pupsave-2fs that is saved to USB stick any good?
Is file pupsave-bak.2fs that is saved to USB stick any good?
No.
Your backup procedure is complete.

Let us note that there would be no harm by keeping the functional pupsave-2fs (the file Sky created after booting to RAM). As long as she isn't running out of room on the HDD, I wouldn't worry about it.

However, the 4MB pupsave-bak.2fs did not work on her system, and should be deleted -- as it is "broken".

Also, having a backup copy of the main pupsave on her HDD might not be a bad idea, since she was planning to give this computer to a new user -- unless she is going to be "tech support" for this fellow (keeping a backup copy for him).

RetroTechGuy · #179 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 18:52

Sky Aisling wrote:Is the file pupsave-First_Time_Save_12_02_10.2sf a save of the whole OS?
Is the file pupsave-First_Time_Save_12_02_10.2sf written over at the close of the OS (if the choice to save is given)?

The pupsave is your dynamic workspace -- all your customizations, documents saved inside, web page links, etc are stored in there. This is why a periodic backup of the pupsave is a good idea. If you are familiar with the Windows world, think of these as "checkpoints".

The other files are static system files. As rcrsn51 notes, you can copy them from the CD again -- however, there is also no harm if you also kept a copy of those on your flash drive.

Keep in mind that being able to restore your operating system requires that you can get booted back to the point the you can access the flash drive -- which means that those static system files must be working: catch-22.

The one last thing I would do is edit your menu.lst and add "pfix=fsck" to the end of kernel line on your main boot sequence (recall that you edited this same file to create a "safe boot" option at the end of the file, and had added "pfix=ram" -- in this case, modify the earlier entry, and add "pfix=fsck"). This will perform a "file system check" on your pupsave on every boot, which will keep the pupsave in good working condition.

I had corruption problems until I did this (I eventually added a patch to make the shutdown "clean", reducing the necessity of "fsck"). The problem seems more common for pusaves on the hard disk than on a USB key (I'm not sure why).

If you do this, after pupsave selection you'll see a message something like "checking pupsave ...blah...blah.

RetroTechGuy · #180 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 21:11

looseSCREWorTWO wrote:I've just been helpless with laughter for the last 2 minutes, imagining your roof covered with these wifi-receivers (in old vegetable strainers) all pointing at your neighbour's house . . .

I wonder if this might help:

http://www.wikihow.com/Improve-WiFi-Reception

http://www.focus.com/briefs/mobile-wire ... ess-range/

I still need to locate the wifi detection script -- will append it here when I find the link again.

Sky Aisling · #181 Post by **Sky Aisling** » Thu 09 Dec 2010, 17:35

To The Amazing Pup Save Team,

Took me a while to get into town to the flower shop but here it is.

Thank You!

Sky Aisling · #182 Post by **Sky Aisling** » Thu 09 Dec 2010, 18:10

Epilogue

Remember, I lost the fd0 drive in the mad scramble to save pup file?

The fd0 drive is restored to the machine.

Here's how to straighten out the fd0 for anyone else who managed to step on their fd0:

Put a floppy in the drive. Run Puppy utility 'Format Floppy Disk' found at: menu/sytem/format floppy disk. Choose the vfat format. This seems to take of the issue.

Further news on wifi reception devices:

I found an effective new wifi antenna enhancement tool. A round, 9" stainless steel pot lid held directly behind the wifi card and pointed in the direction of the neighbor's house. Works good!

#183 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Thu 09 Dec 2010, 18:20

Sky Aisling wrote:Further news on wifi reception devices:

I found an effective new wifi antenna enhancement tool. A round, 9" stainless steel pot lid held directly behind the wifi card and pointed in the direction of the neighbor's house. Works good!

In Belgium, people have been taken to court and got a fine to pay as connecting through a neighbor's router is treated as stealing.
(unless the neighbor did agree)

rcrsn51 · #184 Post by **rcrsn51** » Thu 09 Dec 2010, 18:23

Sky Aisling wrote:Epilogue

Remember, I lost the fd0 drive in the mad scramble to save pup file?

The fd0 drive is restored to the machine.

Here's how to straighten out the fd0 for anyone else who managed to step on their fd0:

Put a floppy in the drive. Run Puppy utility 'Format Floppy Disk' found at: menu/sytem/format floppy disk. Choose the vfat format. This seems to take of the issue.

The problem wasn't with the drive - it was with the diskette. It's easy to corrupt a diskette that was formatted in Drive A if you write to it in Drive B.

Reformatting it in Drive B makes it workable again.

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