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Blackdown Java Runtime Environment Dotpup
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Feb 2006, 13:21    Post subject:  Blackdown Java Runtime Environment Dotpup  

The Java JRE from blackdown.org is working great Very Happy I tried their Debian package HERE. It's similar to the Java we have now (which is from Sun), but this one is much smaller in size. Only 56M decompressed, almost 30M less than Sun Java. It is much faster too. Can someone make a dotpup of it?
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Feb 2006, 17:04    Post subject:  

As requested:
http://partyvibe.com/flavour/jre-1.4.2.pup

This is the latest I could find: 1.4.2_03
Perhaps this is the reason it's smaller? (20Mb .pup vs 30Mb .pup)

Anyway, it works, play with it, let us know the results Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Feb 2006, 04:40    Post subject: Not able to download..?  

Hi. I tried several times.. no luck?! It seams VEERRYY slow and aborts..

Sad

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MU


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PostPosted: Tue 21 Feb 2006, 07:07    Post subject:  

I had no problem to download.
Here is a mirror:
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Libraries/jre-1.4.2-blackdown-VERYUNSTABLE.pup (20 MB)

WARNING: 2 people reported a corruption of pup001 after installation.
So BACKUP and use at own risk.
Just for very experienced users!

Mark

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Feb 2006, 08:24    Post subject:  

Thanks so much flavour!!

It's working great! Download is OK too Very Happy

Both Azureus and embeded java applets in browser (Opera and firefox tested, should be ok with Mozilla too) work perfectly Cool

Quote:
Perhaps this is the reason it's smaller?

Probably not. Sun Java 1.4.2 needs 75M free disk space, still 20M more than Blackdown Smile

Sun Java 1.5 aka 5.0 needs even more, which is 84M.

Would it be possible to have this 56M Blackdown stripped down further? Their readme mentioned some optional components. I think most people (like me) only use java for viewing applets in browsers or to support apps like Azureus, but not for developing.

Btw, would it be possible to let user choose the installation directory, just like G2's Sun Java dotpup did?

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Feb 2006, 09:02    Post subject: Java - it's the coffee!  

This shows why it is important to have multiple tests. I tried it from Firefox and it did not seem to have upgraded. I rebooted and got stuck in busybox. Somehow my pup001 was corrupted. I booted up Puppy again with a option 4 boot (Puppy 1.0.7 / 1.0.Cool and renamed my pup001 file by going to mnt/home (my hard drive)

I can not recommend this product as it stands.

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Feb 2006, 12:28    Post subject:  

Quote:
This shows why it is important to have multiple tests. I tried it from Firefox and it did not semm to have upgraded. I rebooted and got stuck in busybox. Somehow my pup001 was corrupt (probably nothing to do with the Java module.

Similar thing happened to me. I backed up my pupfile before I ran it, though, so I was fine. I had already installed the old java dotpup, though, so I didn't get to test it. Sometime when I have the time (not this week Sad ) I'm going to give it a shot on a java-free pupfile. I'll probably do it when I get around to switching to 1.0.8.

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Feb 2006, 12:41    Post subject:  

I renamed the file on my mirror to VERYUNSTABLE (see first message from me), until that problem is fixed.
I just unzipped the Dotpup manually, but could find nothing suspicious at first sight.
Maybe the pup001 did not have enough free space during installation?

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Feb 2006, 14:04    Post subject:  

I downloaded 1.4.2 from blackdown. Stripped out all the sound files and anything else that I could and still have it work at a few Java demo web sites that I found. Below is a link to an 11M DotPup. It installs one folder, /usr/local/j2re1.4.2 and adds one link, /usr/lib/mozilla-1.8b1.5/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
So if it stinks, delete the folder and the link. Keep in mind I don't know jack about Java!


http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=SmallJava.pup
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Feb 2006, 14:36    Post subject:  

mirror: http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Libraries/SmallJava1.4.2-blackdown.pup

Did not test it myself.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2006, 04:11    Post subject: tested java*.pup  

Hi. Installed the SmallJava.pup.

The pup should set the following environment variables:

Code:
export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/j2re1.4.2
export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin

Unfortunetly, JBidWatcher doesn't work with that (missing sound Sad )

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2006, 20:05    Post subject:  

Thanks for testing it.

PeterSieg said:
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export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/j2re1.4.2
export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin


I'll add that if I revise the dotpup (or anybody else can). I was trying to make a small dotpup that would let me view Java applets in Mozilla. It seems to do that without setting the path.
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Feb 2006, 07:34    Post subject:  

NB My DotPup does set the JAVA_HOME env & adds to the path.
- both set to the /usr/local/jre symlink
(dotpup.sh attached)

I've found it perfectly stable for my use.
I didn't test it with an existing Java install as I didn't think that was it's target audience, but maybe I was wrong.

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Feb 2006, 01:42    Post subject:  

Pizzasgood wrote:
Similar thing happened to me. I backed up my pupfile before I ran it, though, so I was fine. I had already installed the old java dotpup, though, so I didn't get to test it.

MU wrote:
I renamed the file on my mirror to VERYUNSTABLE (see first message from me), until that problem is fixed.

I read somewhere that you CAN'T have more than one Java installed. When I was testing flavour's dotpup the pup file didn't have any Java installed before and everything works fine Very Happy Both the export path and the browser plugin have been pre-configured and the dotpup works great Cool

Thanks so much for kirk's work too Very Happy I don't have time to test the smaller dotpup yet, will do so later Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Feb 2006, 18:37    Post subject:  

I installed Puppy 1.0.8, so I put in the blackdown java while it was fresh. Worked like a charm. I put it to the task of running Runescape, and I couldn't tell the difference. I did have to manually put the symlink for the plugin into my firefox plugins directory, though.
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