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modify boot.ini in NTFS to bring up Puppy in folder?
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BlueWhaleTail
Joined: 21 Oct 2010 Posts: 13 |
Totally new to this. I "installed" Puppy 412 onto a folder in NTFS on XP system (using Puppy Universal Installer, although all it did was copy files; is that considered "installing"?). Now I see 4 files in there (instead of the 7 on the bootable CD). No partition. All the same sda1. Looking at the existing boot.ini, it looks to me as if it could be changed with a simple text editor to boot Puppy. Is that correct? I don't see anything about it here (because searches on boot.ini return tons of "boot" titles, not "boot.ini" titles). I see some references to GRUB, but as far as I can tell all it does is change boot.ini, and maybe displace an existing boot loader, and I'd rather not bring in GRUB, at least right away. I thought I could copy the existing boot.ini, mess around with boot.ini and if anything went wrong, copy back the original boot-to-XP boot.ini. Clearly, I'm not understanding some key concepts. Can't the master-boot-whatever-it-is be told to get a Puppy OS up and running from information in boot.ini? |
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dejan555
 Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 2407 Location: Montenegro |
You will need grub4dos (grldr exe) then you can edit boot.ini to point to it and write menu.lst to boot puppy from grub, see this tut that Rupp wrote: http://puppy.b0x.me/lin-n-win _________________ 
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shinobar
 Joined: 28 May 2009 Posts: 2256 Location: Japan |
THE Lin'N'WinNewB PROJECT http://www.icpug.org.uk/national/linnwin/step00-linnwin.htm HOW TO INSTALL PUPPY on WINDOWS PC http://shino.pos.to/linux/lupq/puppydualboot.html _________________ Multilingual Wary-511 Lucid Puppy Quickset edition Downloads for Puppy Linux http://shino.pos.to/linux/downloads.html |
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BlueWhaleTail
Joined: 21 Oct 2010 Posts: 13 |
Thanks everyone, that was the info/links I needed. |
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Bruce B
 Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10818 Location: The Peoples Republic of California |
Thank you for the great website. The following text is from the page listed above. I have a question I'll ask after posting some text from the URL above.
Record). If you like to recover the MBR of windows, you can use Windows Installer CD. But you cannot recover for the PC's which has special MBR made by the manufacturer. Don't fear if you can boot with the rescue media you made here. Emphasis mine Simply stated, my question is: What is a special MBR? ~ _________________ New! Puppy Linux Links Page |
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shinobar
Joined: 28 May 2009 Posts: 2256 Location: Japan |
Good question, Bruce. I have never seen 
I guess the MBR may be common but some special install style of Windows such as the partition layout. I don't know because i have not such a PC. For further discussion, let us move to next topic 'How to install Puppy on Windows PC': http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=61796 _________________ Multilingual Wary-511 Lucid Puppy Quickset edition Downloads for Puppy Linux http://shino.pos.to/linux/downloads.html |
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Bruce B
Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10818 Location: The Peoples Republic of California |
Regarding special MBRs I've seen references to backup MBRs, but not with explanation. I can understand reasons why an OEM would provide a backup MBR. Making one outside the partitions would be extremely simple. I very vaguely recall something about the backup MBR in one case being adjacent to the MBR. But I could be wrong, in this particular, I think I remember right. A backup MBR could be useful to a user who knows where he hid it, but we are thinking about OEM machines. One approach to the backup MBR is to be used by tech support. Another would be software instructions to check the two against each other and automatically fix things. Who might do it? I think maybe Compaq might because they had pretty high standards and did a lot of things differently. I think they were serious about giving the user the best in a lot of ways. And the after purchase relationship between them and you was important to what they were selling. The basic idea was quality of product and quality of service. But it costs more to deliver and purchase. ~~~~~~~ I've also seen symptoms of behavior I'm not understanding and never bothered to do a deep diagnosis. ~~~~~~~ Installing GRUB on the MBR installs a lot more software than the 400+ bytes it has to work with on Sector 0 It installs executable software and data on many adjacent sectors. Anything that existed in terms of supporting a special MBR on those sectors would be replaced and a virgin restore would not be accomplished by an FDISK /MBR Moreover, something like a special MBR would slip right by a technician unless he was aware of it or looking for it. ~~~~~~~~ This is just some guessing on my part. Next time I get a hold of an OEM machine I'll dump the first 63 sectors to a file and do some reading. Then the next time and the next time and some time I might learn something. But I never thought to do such a thing in the past and well now all that is left is the future to do this R&D Bruce ~ _________________ New! Puppy Linux Links Page |
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