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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Nov 2010, 19:13    Post subject: Re: Alsa again  

zekebaby wrote:
I installed Barry's latest script package and rerwin's -5 modem package yesterday and I got the two barks on startup. I rebooted a few times and everything was OK.

When I turned on the computer this morning, sound was gone again. Luckily, I had a saved a pmodem diagnostic before (when sound worked) and grabbed another one now. They are attached.


Er, you didn't mention in what order you installed them.

If you want to test rerwin's latest upgrade, do not install my zzz PET.

If you want to test my zzz PET, it must be installed last. It replaces a couple of rerwin's scripts.

And as I noted, my zzz PET does not yet have proper functionality for the 3G hydbrid modems (storage - modem) so don't bother with trying my zzz PET yet for testing them devices.

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glenco

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Nov 2010, 19:32    Post subject:  

JWM configuation is broke. Can't change wallpaper by clicking JWM configuation > Desktop > Desktop Background icon.
ROX has no right click option of Set As Wallpaper.
Pwallpaper background chooser works but the images must be located in /usr/share/backgrounds only.
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sat 20 Nov 2010, 21:28    Post subject: Loarding main sfs with pfix=ram from CD
Subject description: Loads the main sfs from HDD
 

I made a remastered custom CD of Wary-098.
Tested the custom CD of course with pfix=ram.
But it loads the main sfs from HDD original, instead of the CD modified.
PUPSTATE:
Code:
PUPMODE=5
PDEV1='sr0'
DEV1FS='iso9660'
PUPSFS='sda3,ext3,/warry/wary_098.sfs'

The whole main sfs is loaded on RAM and the HDD partition /dev/sda3 is unmouted after, its nice, but...
It is a problem in case the PC with lower RAM.
The CD boot with pfix=ram means somewhat the HDD is unreliable, i think, so all the files should loaded from the CD.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Nov 2010, 22:05    Post subject: Welcome display can mislead user about low RAM  

After setting up a test PC for working the woof-woof problem, I did not see the welcome screen on first boot from the remastered (with -5) CD, so lost hope of a quick ALSA fix. I saved to a file (pupsave-test2). The next morning when I rebooted to that pupsave, the Welcome screen appeared and I moused to get the woof-woof. Maybe there is hope.

But then I read the warning message on the welcome screen, which claimed I was very low on RAM. The reality is that the PC has 1GB, but the pupsave has only 32MB total, with about 15MB available. It appears that the available pupsave space is being checked instead of the actual RAM size. My guess is that the assumption is that the welcome only occurs before a pupsave is available. But there it was. Attached is the evidence.
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Billtoo

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Nov 2010, 23:50    Post subject: Wary 0.9.8 (098) feedback
Subject description: Revo nettop
 

I installed 098 to an 8gb SDHC card formatted to ext4.
I've installed the wary_devx_098.sfs,kernel_src-2.6.31.14-patched.sfs,
and NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.21.run.
I compiled xine-lib-1.1.19.tar.bz2 and added xine-ui-0.99.5-w5 from
the puppy package manager.
The computer is an Acer Revo Nettop.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Wary Puppy, version 098

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP79 Board - hornet-0 Chip Rev

Driver used by Xorg:
nvidia

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#
Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz
Memory 1813MB (829MB used)
Operating System Puppy Linux 0.09
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Sat 20 Nov 2010 09:35:54 PM EST

Display
Resolution 1280x1024 pixels
Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Version 1.3.0

The graphics chip is an Nvidia ION.

The network,and sound were working on first boot although the wireless
wlan0 doesn't even show up the wired network works fine.

The xine DVD player works well with my Sony usb dvd drive, so does Ogle.

Edit: this install was running well (I thought) on the Revo but it
locked up the computer after a few hours and I had to shut it down.
I just pulled the SDHC card out of the Revo and put it in my Gateway
desktop which has ATI HD3200 onboard graphics.

At first bootup it went to the xorgwizard prompt and I chose probe and
it got the resolution correct.The network was up but Retrovol needed
to be re-configured.
I downloaded the ati_fglrx-10.10-k2.6.31.14-w5.pet and installed
it,then rebooted and followed the instructions.
# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Wary Puppy, version 098

Chip description:
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: RS780 01.00

Driver used by Xorg:
radeon
fglrx

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#
I'll let this run for a few hours and see how it goes, it's working
a-one right now.

Wary 094 ran problem free on the Revo running with a flash drive
install so I think the SDHC card was the problem.
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zekebaby

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Nov 2010, 00:27    Post subject: Re: Alsa again  

BarryK wrote:
Er, you didn't mention in what order you installed them.

If you want to test rerwin's latest upgrade, do not install my zzz PET.

If you want to test my zzz PET, it must be installed last. It replaces a couple of rerwin's scripts.


I installed zzz last, so the dumps I posted apply to zzz.

Now I'm going to do the same test without installing your zzz packages. I won't mix-and-match again.

Thanks for your support.

.Z.
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shinobar


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Nov 2010, 03:41    Post subject: SNS do not persist  

My eth0 automatically connect at the first boot.
But i dare to test the SNS.
The SNS found eth0 and easily connected.
Set the SNS as the default connecting tool.

Reboot. The connection lost Crying or Very sad
Right clicked the 'connect' icon on the desktop, got no response.
Setup again with SNS, successfully connect.
But loose the connection after reboot.

Setup again and switched to Dugal's, successfully connect.
Set Dugal's as the default connecting tool.
Reboot. The connection OK.

Does it occur only with my PC?
The ethernet controller is Atheros AR81xx PCI-E and the driver is atl1e.

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Sage

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Nov 2010, 03:44    Post subject:  

Quote:
Processor 4x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz


Overkill^4, Billtoo?! Wary is aimed at old kit? And you do know what 'Acer' stands for? It would help world+dog if folks stopped buying proprietary HW, esp. from your neighbour. Many of us out here, (probably BK, at least some of his time?), are trying to reverse the landfill saga, capitalist greed, and bullyboy marketing. So far, Wary is a revelation. BK's blog 'HOWTO: fix your old PC' provides the desirable focus. There are enough parts on the globe to cope with most wish-lists for a generation, provided coders can work out how to interface stuff (3G, etc?) and which way round to hold the soldering iron to replace blown caps.
Otherwise, you're one of the kind and helpful guys, Bt and your commentary much appreciated.
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Posts: 7019
Location: qld

PostPosted: Sun 21 Nov 2010, 04:37    Post subject: Re: Loarding main sfs with pfix=ram from CD
Subject description: Loads the main sfs from HDD
 

shinobar wrote:
I made a remastered custom CD of Wary-098.
Tested the custom CD of course with pfix=ram.
But it loads the main sfs from HDD original, instead of the CD modified.
PUPSTATE:
Code:
PUPMODE=5
PDEV1='sr0'
DEV1FS='iso9660'
PUPSFS='sda3,ext3,/warry/wary_098.sfs'

The whole main sfs is loaded on RAM and the HDD partition /dev/sda3 is unmouted after, its nice, but...
It is a problem in case the PC with lower RAM.
The CD boot with pfix=ram means somewhat the HDD is unreliable, i think, so all the files should loaded from the CD.


hi shino

I believe this is even weirder...
Code:
PUPMODE=77
PDEV1='sr0'
DEV1FS='iso9660'
PUPSFS='sdb7,ext3,/l2381011.203/luci_238.sfs'
PUPSAVE='sr0,iso9660,/2010-11-21-12-27'
PMEDIA='usbcd'


albeit it's luci, but same woof I think.

NOTE: The luci_238-sfs is on sdb7 from a previous save.

I'm about to try this DVD in a different PC, I suspect it wont boot.

Cheers

LATER.... I tried in 2 other machines but unfortunately both don't have enough RAM.. I have saved the devx and wine as installed pets, and other stuff and that folder on the CD is 700M Shocked .. even the PC with 768 RAM and 2gig swap reported RAM FULL, then kernel panic. I'm going to wipe the luci_238-sfs from sdb7 and see if it boots ok on the main machine.

MORE LATER.... removed the luci_238-sfs and booted the DVD, here's the PUPSTATE now..
Code:
PUPMODE=77
PDEV1='sr0'
DEV1FS='iso9660'
PUPSFS='sr0,iso9660,/luci_238.sfs'
PUPSAVE='sr0,iso9660,/2010-11-21-12-27'


that's more like it!

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Billtoo

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Nov 2010, 10:24    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
Quote:
Processor 4x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz


Overkill^4, Billtoo?! Wary is aimed at old kit? And you do know what 'Acer' stands for? It would help world+dog if folks stopped buying proprietary HW, esp. from your neighbour. Many of us out here, (probably BK, at least some of his time?), are trying to reverse the landfill saga, capitalist greed, and bullyboy marketing. So far, Wary is a revelation. BK's blog 'HOWTO: fix your old PC' provides the desirable focus. There are enough parts on the globe to cope with most wish-lists for a generation, provided coders can work out how to interface stuff (3G, etc?) and which way round to hold the soldering iron to replace blown caps.
Otherwise, you're one of the kind and helpful guys, Bt and your commentary much appreciated.


Hi Sage:
Processor 4x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz : is a dual core with
hyperthreading, not exactly a powerhouse.It only uses 35 watts of
power so it's easy on the planet that way, it is small enough to
attach to the back of a 19" lcd monitor so it will just use a small
space in the landfill Smile

I've got a few Acer products, they own Gateway and Emachines now and I
have one of each of those.

I've also got a computer that I bought in the early 90's which is now
retired, it has 32 mb of ram which I upped from 16 mb (at great expense
in the 90's) and it has Windows 95 on it now, started out with just
Dos.They made them better back then, heavier at least, and I loved it
back then but I don't want to use it anymore.I've still got a Vic 20
too which I haven't used in about 20 years.

Wary runs on old and new for me, it's great Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 21 Nov 2010, 10:58    Post subject: Re: Loarding main sfs with pfix=ram from CD
Subject description: Loads the main sfs from HDD
 

shinobar wrote:
I made a remastered custom CD of Wary-098.
Tested the custom CD of course with pfix=ram.
But it loads the main sfs from HDD original, instead of the CD modified.
PUPSTATE:
Code:
PUPMODE=5
PDEV1='sr0'
DEV1FS='iso9660'
PUPSFS='sda3,ext3,/warry/wary_098.sfs'

The whole main sfs is loaded on RAM and the HDD partition /dev/sda3 is unmouted after, its nice, but...
It is a problem in case the PC with lower RAM.
The CD boot with pfix=ram means somewhat the HDD is unreliable, i think, so all the files should loaded from the CD.


Did you use the remaster program in Wary?

Yes, that problem with finding the wrong .sfs file would not occur if I had built Wary with the simplified filenames. Then, the file would be named 'puppy.sfs' and the init boot script would identify the correct one uniquely from its appended id-string.

Anyway, it is possible to do a remaster with new version number, and that would also fix the problem.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Nov 2010, 11:03    Post subject: Re: Alsa again  

zekebaby wrote:
BarryK wrote:
Er, you didn't mention in what order you installed them.

If you want to test rerwin's latest upgrade, do not install my zzz PET.

If you want to test my zzz PET, it must be installed last. It replaces a couple of rerwin's scripts.


I installed zzz last, so the dumps I posted apply to zzz.

Now I'm going to do the same test without installing your zzz packages. I won't mix-and-match again.

Thanks for your support.

.Z.


Yeah, I won't post updates to my zzz PET to this thread, it causes confusion. I will post about it on my blog only.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Nov 2010, 11:41    Post subject:  

Quote:
Wary runs on old and new for me

Metoo, Billtoo!
Fair enough - Gateway used to be in Ireland. Emachines have been sold in Tesco and another of our cheapest mail order stockists - along with mainline Acer; shocking reputations. Nobody ever buys a second machine.
As for oldies, still got a couple of Amstrads in the loft. Shafted by those b*st*rds to your South because they were at least a couple of decades ahead with the technology. Alan Sugar came up with the bright idea of using the switched mode PSU from the monitor to power the mainboard, which was incorporated into the keyboard.
Shame Mr Churchill gave them all our IPR in exchange for food...
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PostPosted: Sun 21 Nov 2010, 18:20    Post subject: Diagnostic version of alsa initialization
Subject description: For troubleshooting issues about the initial "woof woof"
 

To try to reconcile Barry's complaint about wary 098's failure to bark as expected, I set up a test PC and tried to recreate his situation. In the process, I created versions of the involved scripts that log trace information to show the order that events occur. My test specifically simulates the effect of the Agere and Intel537 driver variant switching. I ran with 098 plus the update-5 package, then added the "wired" versions of the "-5" scripts.

I attach a dotpet containing those wired scripts and an installation script that resets the variants so they are forced to switch on first use. The dotpet can be installed repeatedly, to reset those cases as needed.

My test results show that I cannot recreate any situation that disrupts the welcome barks! I encourage anyone, particularly Barry, who feels that the barks don't work when the Agere modem is installed, to try this package on top of the "-5" package.

For useful results, be sure to have pupdial CHOOSE > ERASE the modem selection, even if none is shown. This forces the full driver initialization process to occur at the next bootup, which is where the problem apparently exists. On subsequent tests, do both the CHOOSE-ERASE and reinstall the debug package, to reset the variant configuration. Please post or PM a pmodemdiag file if you find sound initialization not right.

Now, to try it on an old dual-CPU PC, to see how it keeps the two from stepping on each other.
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PostPosted: Sun 21 Nov 2010, 20:23    Post subject: Re: Loarding main sfs with pfix=ram from CD
Subject description: Loads the main sfs from HDD
 

shinobar wrote:
I made a remastered custom CD of Wary-098.
Tested the custom CD of course with pfix=ram.
But it loads the main sfs from HDD original, instead of the CD modified.
PUPSTATE:
Code:
PUPMODE=5
PDEV1='sr0'
DEV1FS='iso9660'
PUPSFS='sda3,ext3,/warry/wary_098.sfs'

The whole main sfs is loaded on RAM and the HDD partition /dev/sda3 is unmouted after, its nice, but...
It is a problem in case the PC with lower RAM.
The CD boot with pfix=ram means somewhat the HDD is unreliable, i think, so all the files should loaded from the CD.

BarryK wrote:
Did you use the remaster program in Wary?

Yes. But remastering put aside. i will be back on remastering later.

What i'd like to say:
The live CD with pfix=ram option is often used for maintaining the HDD.
So the live CD with pfix=ram should not load anything from the HDD when we suspect the HDD, i think.
The Wary 098 now loads the main sfs from the HDD and keep mounting if the PC has small RAM?

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