Its that simple and its a shame its not officially supported by puppy for whatever reason which would avoid users drifting off to use unsupported things like unetbooting, but fortunately for us, people like norby009 carry on regardless
mike
Puppy Linux Windows Installer - LICK v1.3.3 released
XP will be no problem and the win32 installer was originally written with it in mind.
Its that simple and its a shame its not officially supported by puppy for whatever reason which would avoid users drifting off to use unsupported things like unetbooting, but fortunately for us, people like norby009 carry on regardless
mike
Its that simple and its a shame its not officially supported by puppy for whatever reason which would avoid users drifting off to use unsupported things like unetbooting, but fortunately for us, people like norby009 carry on regardless
mike
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Thanks for that.
Presume after its installed (are there any awkward questions) you have to reboot the laptop and then go the through the setting up process like running a live CD.
Just for my sanity is the setting up as simple as the first time you run a Live CD and do you still have to create a save file on first exit.
Thanks.
Presume after its installed (are there any awkward questions) you have to reboot the laptop and then go the through the setting up process like running a live CD.
Just for my sanity is the setting up as simple as the first time you run a Live CD and do you still have to create a save file on first exit.
Thanks.
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Thanks again for your reply, not got round to doing anything yet, been erecting a new fence.
Had one thought, when I read up about Puppy initially one of the advantages often quoted was the fact that unless you mounted your hard drives for a good reason there was no way for a virus etc to infect the hard drive on your computer. The advice I read was to put the Puppy save file in a separate partition, I had a 3gb D drive and put the Puppy save file in there.
Having read a good deal of this thread it appears that when you install Puppy for within Windows it installs in C drive thus that drive must be mounted and more susceptible to getting a virus.
Or am I missing something.
Had one thought, when I read up about Puppy initially one of the advantages often quoted was the fact that unless you mounted your hard drives for a good reason there was no way for a virus etc to infect the hard drive on your computer. The advice I read was to put the Puppy save file in a separate partition, I had a 3gb D drive and put the Puppy save file in there.
Having read a good deal of this thread it appears that when you install Puppy for within Windows it installs in C drive thus that drive must be mounted and more susceptible to getting a virus.
Or am I missing something.
Not really something to worry about... a bit of over zealous salesmanship.
All the resident drives are mounted by default in my case... c:, d: etc etc.
Nothing is going to come through puppy and nothing coming through windows would affect it apart from of course something that wiped the hard drive which I think in such a case there would be more to worry about.
Note that puppy would be in self contained files that to a normal windows install would be meaningless anyway.
If there were cases of actual problems reported then it would be a different matter... I prefer facts to speculation.
mike
All the resident drives are mounted by default in my case... c:, d: etc etc.
Nothing is going to come through puppy and nothing coming through windows would affect it apart from of course something that wiped the hard drive which I think in such a case there would be more to worry about.
Note that puppy would be in self contained files that to a normal windows install would be meaningless anyway.
If there were cases of actual problems reported then it would be a different matter... I prefer facts to speculation.
mike
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Nothing to report - this laptop has used Win-installed Puppies for over a year. I usually install new puppy while in Windows using one of two NTFS partitions, edit C:\menu.lst to add the new entry, and reboot.mikeb wrote:If there were cases of actual problems reported then it would be a different matter... I prefer facts to speculation.
And Puppy has saved Windows once when it suddenly locked me out (must be a zombie!). I rebooted with Puppy and deleted the last session files in Windows.
Puppy user since Oct 2004. Want FreeOffice? [url=http://puppylinux.info/topic/freeoffice-2012-sfs]Get the sfs (English only)[/url].
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OK.
Had a look today. The HD on the old laptop I am intending to use is only 20gb and has 2 partitions C and D. Widows is installed in C but there is more free space in D. Having read through the information please tell me if I am correct in my understanding that Puppy must be installed where Windows is i.e. in my case C or could I install it in D where there is more space.
Thanks yet again.
Had a look today. The HD on the old laptop I am intending to use is only 20gb and has 2 partitions C and D. Widows is installed in C but there is more free space in D. Having read through the information please tell me if I am correct in my understanding that Puppy must be installed where Windows is i.e. in my case C or could I install it in D where there is more space.
Thanks yet again.
Actually I am not 100% if you are given a partition choice with this installer....my main involvement was adding windows 7 and vista to the systems covered but others have used it happily.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 9&start=60
has info on ntfs but if space is an issue and only c: is offered then you could install to c: and then once its running either move the files to d: and edit menu.lst manually...or use the installer in puppy plus grub4dos to do it for you. The initial install is around 150MB for recent puppies roughly.
Its normally possible to have the puppy sfs on one partition and have the much larger save file on another which is done after the first run...another option.
I believe getting something booting is your priority... once done such details are easily dealt with.
On the other hand it may indeed offer a choice.
mike
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 9&start=60
has info on ntfs but if space is an issue and only c: is offered then you could install to c: and then once its running either move the files to d: and edit menu.lst manually...or use the installer in puppy plus grub4dos to do it for you. The initial install is around 150MB for recent puppies roughly.
Its normally possible to have the puppy sfs on one partition and have the much larger save file on another which is done after the first run...another option.
I believe getting something booting is your priority... once done such details are easily dealt with.
On the other hand it may indeed offer a choice.
mike
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Sorted (I hope), appears to be working just as it should with none of the messing about with floppies/USB's or CD's.
To complete the details the installer does not give you an option where to install it thus its on c, end of story.
When I ran it for the first time on shut down it offered an option of which partition to save the Puppy Save file. Chose the smaller partition (e) which had more space than c, all appeared OK.
But when I restarted Puppy it did not find the Puppy Save File so on shut down I saved it to c,on restart it found it. This is a bit strange since when I ran Puppy from CD both the .sfs and 2fs were saved on the e drive and it always found them.
But since as I said above its working perfectly I am leaving it as it is, only installed Seamonkey so far but I am trying to keep this install as lean as possible.
Thanks for your help and a terrific way of using/installing Puppy. Wish I had found this thread 18 months ago (had it started then?). The old Dell 10+ year old laptop is now usable again.
From boot to usable with XP 20 minutes approx.
From boot to usable with Puppy 1 minute approx.
To complete the details the installer does not give you an option where to install it thus its on c, end of story.
When I ran it for the first time on shut down it offered an option of which partition to save the Puppy Save file. Chose the smaller partition (e) which had more space than c, all appeared OK.
But when I restarted Puppy it did not find the Puppy Save File so on shut down I saved it to c,on restart it found it. This is a bit strange since when I ran Puppy from CD both the .sfs and 2fs were saved on the e drive and it always found them.
But since as I said above its working perfectly I am leaving it as it is, only installed Seamonkey so far but I am trying to keep this install as lean as possible.
Thanks for your help and a terrific way of using/installing Puppy. Wish I had found this thread 18 months ago (had it started then?). The old Dell 10+ year old laptop is now usable again.
From boot to usable with XP 20 minutes approx.
From boot to usable with Puppy 1 minute approx.
Oh thanks for the feedback.... not sure of the status of this very useful program but if updates did happen a choice of partitions might be a welcome feature.
Its certainly a simple option for such as netbooks and machine with failing optical drives.
Not sure what was happening with your save there but that might be a puppyism rather than the installer.
My XP boots in a minute on pentium 3s...sounds like you need some serious fixing doing there...stuck updates perhaps?
mike
Its certainly a simple option for such as netbooks and machine with failing optical drives.
Not sure what was happening with your save there but that might be a puppyism rather than the installer.
My XP boots in a minute on pentium 3s...sounds like you need some serious fixing doing there...stuck updates perhaps?
mike
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Its a Pentium 4 with 512 mb ram XP and actually boots in a couple of minutes. Problem is the computer is unusable for the next 18 minutes while it checks for Windows updates, loads various drivers and processes (I have stopped as many as I reasonably can), runs the Belkin Wireless utility for the dongle (no built in wireless) and updates the anti virus (I use Avast which is faster and less memory hungry than any other I have used).mikeb wrote: My XP boots in a minute on pentium 3s...sounds like you need some serious fixing doing there...stuck updates perhaps?
mike
If you sit with the Task Manager open you can see the available memory drop as low as 20 mb before it settles at about 300 mb when it has eventually sorted itself.
Once its settled its actually not that bad but you need to prepare well in advance should you decide to use it.
With Puppy its fine for browsing which in truth is about all we need it for. We plan to take it to dads eventually so we can pay his bills etc while we are there.
Well I won't derail the thread too much but we had quite a discussion on the subject here recently.Problem is the computer is unusable for the next 18 minutes while it checks for Windows updates, loads various drivers and processes (I have stopped as many as I reasonably can), runs the Belkin Wireless utility for the dongle (no built in wireless) and updates the anti virus (I use Avast which is faster and less memory hungry than any other I have used).
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=89295
Briefly I have never used antivirus, updates are disabled , I used it for internet banking and it boots to about 65MB usage.
Another bunny is programs insist on having themselves in the background at boot up with no real gain...eg adobe, java, printers,sound and video configs and many more....its something I always look for after installing anything. If not you end up with a huge list taking over yer cpu and ram while doing nothing related to your actual needs. Devices especially will work just fine without 200MB of garbage added. Also makes it less obvious if you do happen to pick up a virus.
ok time to fly
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I recently installed Win 7 Pro on a 5 or 6 year old Dual core pentium laptop which has 2 gb ram. The install disk was the latest image from the Microsoft site thus no bloat, just bought the licence.
The laptop boots in about a minute and uses about 500 mb of ram while its idling. The only additions I made to the install were the correct N-Videa drivers and the Ricoh drivers for the card readers.
Absolutely flies and works perfectly without all the nonsense manufacturers insist on installing when they sell you a computer. Only 35 processes running, my work PC has over 70 and needs 4 gb of ram just to limp along.
The laptop boots in about a minute and uses about 500 mb of ram while its idling. The only additions I made to the install were the correct N-Videa drivers and the Ricoh drivers for the card readers.
Absolutely flies and works perfectly without all the nonsense manufacturers insist on installing when they sell you a computer. Only 35 processes running, my work PC has over 70 and needs 4 gb of ram just to limp along.
Clean installs will be lighter and fluffy... the trick is keeping it that way. And yes too many additions that users are tricked into believeing they need.
Another think you might be interest in is Nlite...I found it useful to make nice trim install images which install fast and are already decrudded . Before that i used XP lite to trim the fat of existing installs which works but not such a clean approach. My main target is actually to remove IE and related software for security .... for performance avoiding the build up of clutter is the best way ... antivirus in particular can be extremely inefficient.
Not sure what tools exist for 7 since I don't use it though similar rules apply I believe since underneath its all NT.
mike
mike
Another think you might be interest in is Nlite...I found it useful to make nice trim install images which install fast and are already decrudded . Before that i used XP lite to trim the fat of existing installs which works but not such a clean approach. My main target is actually to remove IE and related software for security .... for performance avoiding the build up of clutter is the best way ... antivirus in particular can be extremely inefficient.
Not sure what tools exist for 7 since I don't use it though similar rules apply I believe since underneath its all NT.
mike
mike
hey lin
you do not have to use the windows installer, you can install to your d drive although it is not always recommended to install to ntfs drives
best would be to make space on the drive for a linux partition, it doesn't have to be large, just enough to place puppy and a savefile
from puppy run grub4dos and then you will be able to dual boot at will
edit - you could also boot from the cd with a savefile on the d drive, the cd can be removed if needed
you do not have to use the windows installer, you can install to your d drive although it is not always recommended to install to ntfs drives
best would be to make space on the drive for a linux partition, it doesn't have to be large, just enough to place puppy and a savefile
from puppy run grub4dos and then you will be able to dual boot at will
edit - you could also boot from the cd with a savefile on the d drive, the cd can be removed if needed
Hi, I have some PCs that now not using NTFS, but Fat32. Is it possible to install it onto an existing Fat32 D: drive, alongside existing files there? Just like how the Win installer installs it next to an existing C:/windows. Which format of puppy will suitable to use to install this way? Do you have a link to it? If possible, this would be my first preference before doing linux partition or bootup via CD/USB. Thanks.ally wrote:hey lin
you do not have to use the windows installer, you can install to your d drive although it is not always recommended to install to ntfs drives
best would be to make space on the drive for a linux partition, it doesn't have to be large, just enough to place puppy and a savefile
from puppy run grub4dos and then you will be able to dual boot at will
edit - you could also boot from the cd with a savefile on the d drive, the cd can be removed if needed
hey again
yes you can install to the d drive
make sure you defrag the drive first, download and burn an ISO image (make sure you get an iso burner program) and boot pc with that disc
when booted follow the set-up steps (keyboard etc.) and then look for 'puppy universal installer' from the setup menu
follow the instructions for a 'frugal' install and select the appropriate drive (d:/) - this will probably be sda2 (click on the icon to explore to double check)
when the 'install' finishes run 'grub4dos' from the system menu, this will sort the dual boot for you
there are many puppies to choose from and it is mostly a matter of personal choice, I couldn't see details of your system anywhere but slacko has always been a good option for my machines
if an older system use the non-pae version
HTH
yes you can install to the d drive
make sure you defrag the drive first, download and burn an ISO image (make sure you get an iso burner program) and boot pc with that disc
when booted follow the set-up steps (keyboard etc.) and then look for 'puppy universal installer' from the setup menu
follow the instructions for a 'frugal' install and select the appropriate drive (d:/) - this will probably be sda2 (click on the icon to explore to double check)
when the 'install' finishes run 'grub4dos' from the system menu, this will sort the dual boot for you
there are many puppies to choose from and it is mostly a matter of personal choice, I couldn't see details of your system anywhere but slacko has always been a good option for my machines
if an older system use the non-pae version
HTH
Yes opne of those things i wish I had come up withGreat installer. I've tried both install and uninstall with multiple versions.
I was interested in a Linux distribution that could be installed by a relative noob with the minimum fear factor. This is definitely the one I'd recommend.
Very Happy
Just as a note this is for installing puppy from within windows.... particularly useful for such as netbooks or where optical drives are not being wonderful and the normal puppy install tools cannot be used because....you cannot run puppy. (yet)
Windows users are used to downloading and running programs. Start talking about iso and disk burning, or making bootable usb sticks and you are getting into a foreign language.
Such things come in time but the first hurdle is usually to get something...anything... running.mike