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mikeb


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Nov 2013, 10:03    Post subject:  

XP will be no problem and the win32 installer was originally written with it in mind.

Its that simple and its a shame its not officially supported by puppy for whatever reason which would avoid users drifting off to use unsupported things like unetbooting, but fortunately for us, people like norby009 carry on regardless Smile

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Thunderbird

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Nov 2013, 11:44    Post subject:  

Thanks for that.

Presume after its installed (are there any awkward questions) you have to reboot the laptop and then go the through the setting up process like running a live CD.

Just for my sanity is the setting up as simple as the first time you run a Live CD and do you still have to create a save file on first exit.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Nov 2013, 11:59    Post subject:  

Yes basically though if you have an existing save file it should be useable by copying to where the pup is installed so avoiding starting from scratch again.

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Thunderbird

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Nov 2013, 13:40    Post subject:  

Thanks again for your reply, not got round to doing anything yet, been erecting a new fence.

Had one thought, when I read up about Puppy initially one of the advantages often quoted was the fact that unless you mounted your hard drives for a good reason there was no way for a virus etc to infect the hard drive on your computer. The advice I read was to put the Puppy save file in a separate partition, I had a 3gb D drive and put the Puppy save file in there.

Having read a good deal of this thread it appears that when you install Puppy for within Windows it installs in C drive thus that drive must be mounted and more susceptible to getting a virus.

Or am I missing something.
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Sat 30 Nov 2013, 13:49    Post subject:  

Not really something to worry about... a bit of over zealous salesmanship.

All the resident drives are mounted by default in my case... c:, d: etc etc.

Nothing is going to come through puppy and nothing coming through windows would affect it apart from of course something that wiped the hard drive which I think in such a case there would be more to worry about.

Note that puppy would be in self contained files that to a normal windows install would be meaningless anyway.

If there were cases of actual problems reported then it would be a different matter... I prefer facts to speculation. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Dec 2013, 03:31    Post subject: none  

mikeb wrote:
If there were cases of actual problems reported then it would be a different matter... I prefer facts to speculation. Very Happy


Nothing to report - this laptop has used Win-installed Puppies for over a year. I usually install new puppy while in Windows using one of two NTFS partitions, edit C:\menu.lst to add the new entry, and reboot.

And Puppy has saved Windows once when it suddenly locked me out (must be a zombie!). I rebooted with Puppy and deleted the last session files in Windows.

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Thunderbird

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 12:18    Post subject:  

OK.

Had a look today. The HD on the old laptop I am intending to use is only 20gb and has 2 partitions C and D. Widows is installed in C but there is more free space in D. Having read through the information please tell me if I am correct in my understanding that Puppy must be installed where Windows is i.e. in my case C or could I install it in D where there is more space.

Thanks yet again.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Dec 2013, 13:04    Post subject:  

Actually I am not 100% if you are given a partition choice with this installer....my main involvement was adding windows 7 and vista to the systems covered but others have used it happily.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60199&start=60
has info on ntfs but if space is an issue and only c: is offered then you could install to c: and then once its running either move the files to d: and edit menu.lst manually...or use the installer in puppy plus grub4dos to do it for you. The initial install is around 150MB for recent puppies roughly.

Its normally possible to have the puppy sfs on one partition and have the much larger save file on another which is done after the first run...another option.

I believe getting something booting is your priority... once done such details are easily dealt with.

On the other hand it may indeed offer a choice.

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Thunderbird

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Dec 2013, 04:55    Post subject:  

Sorted (I hope), appears to be working just as it should with none of the messing about with floppies/USB's or CD's.

To complete the details the installer does not give you an option where to install it thus its on c, end of story.

When I ran it for the first time on shut down it offered an option of which partition to save the Puppy Save file. Chose the smaller partition (e) which had more space than c, all appeared OK.

But when I restarted Puppy it did not find the Puppy Save File so on shut down I saved it to c,on restart it found it. This is a bit strange since when I ran Puppy from CD both the .sfs and 2fs were saved on the e drive and it always found them.

But since as I said above its working perfectly I am leaving it as it is, only installed Seamonkey so far but I am trying to keep this install as lean as possible.

Thanks for your help and a terrific way of using/installing Puppy. Wish I had found this thread 18 months ago (had it started then?). The old Dell 10+ year old laptop is now usable again.

From boot to usable with XP 20 minutes approx.

From boot to usable with Puppy 1 minute approx.
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PostPosted: Sun 08 Dec 2013, 09:21    Post subject:  

Oh thanks for the feedback.... not sure of the status of this very useful program but if updates did happen a choice of partitions might be a welcome feature.
Its certainly a simple option for such as netbooks and machine with failing optical drives.
Not sure what was happening with your save there but that might be a puppyism rather than the installer.

My XP boots in a minute on pentium 3s...sounds like you need some serious fixing doing there...stuck updates perhaps?

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Dec 2013, 12:45    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:

My XP boots in a minute on pentium 3s...sounds like you need some serious fixing doing there...stuck updates perhaps?
mike


Its a Pentium 4 with 512 mb ram XP and actually boots in a couple of minutes. Problem is the computer is unusable for the next 18 minutes while it checks for Windows updates, loads various drivers and processes (I have stopped as many as I reasonably can), runs the Belkin Wireless utility for the dongle (no built in wireless) and updates the anti virus (I use Avast which is faster and less memory hungry than any other I have used).

If you sit with the Task Manager open you can see the available memory drop as low as 20 mb before it settles at about 300 mb when it has eventually sorted itself.

Once its settled its actually not that bad but you need to prepare well in advance should you decide to use it.

With Puppy its fine for browsing which in truth is about all we need it for. We plan to take it to dads eventually so we can pay his bills etc while we are there.
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PostPosted: Sun 08 Dec 2013, 13:02    Post subject:  

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Problem is the computer is unusable for the next 18 minutes while it checks for Windows updates, loads various drivers and processes (I have stopped as many as I reasonably can), runs the Belkin Wireless utility for the dongle (no built in wireless) and updates the anti virus (I use Avast which is faster and less memory hungry than any other I have used).


Well I won't derail the thread too much but we had quite a discussion on the subject here recently.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=89295

Briefly I have never used antivirus, updates are disabled , I used it for internet banking and it boots to about 65MB usage.
Another bunny is programs insist on having themselves in the background at boot up with no real gain...eg adobe, java, printers,sound and video configs and many more....its something I always look for after installing anything. If not you end up with a huge list taking over yer cpu and ram while doing nothing related to your actual needs. Devices especially will work just fine without 200MB of garbage added. Also makes it less obvious if you do happen to pick up a virus.

ok time to fly

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Dec 2013, 13:14    Post subject:  

I recently installed Win 7 Pro on a 5 or 6 year old Dual core pentium laptop which has 2 gb ram. The install disk was the latest image from the Microsoft site thus no bloat, just bought the licence.

The laptop boots in about a minute and uses about 500 mb of ram while its idling. The only additions I made to the install were the correct N-Videa drivers and the Ricoh drivers for the card readers.

Absolutely flies and works perfectly without all the nonsense manufacturers insist on installing when they sell you a computer. Only 35 processes running, my work PC has over 70 and needs 4 gb of ram just to limp along.
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PostPosted: Sun 08 Dec 2013, 14:50    Post subject:  

Clean installs will be lighter and fluffy... the trick is keeping it that way. And yes too many additions that users are tricked into believeing they need.

Another think you might be interest in is Nlite...I found it useful to make nice trim install images which install fast and are already decrudded . Before that i used XP lite to trim the fat of existing installs which works but not such a clean approach. My main target is actually to remove IE and related software for security .... for performance avoiding the build up of clutter is the best way ... antivirus in particular can be extremely inefficient.

Not sure what tools exist for 7 since I don't use it though similar rules apply I believe since underneath its all NT.

mike

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puppylin

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Dec 2013, 21:02    Post subject:  

Hi, in my experience using the Windows installer, there was no dialog to ask which partition to install Puppy to. It always installs to the default C drive. I'd like to know how to install it to say D drive, as I have some PCs with limited spaced on the C. Can anyone help?
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