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DaveS


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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 10:44    Post subject:  

So somebody tell me please: what do I need to do to compile seamonkey for wary? How would I begin etc?
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 11:28    Post subject:  

Get the latest Seamonkey 2.0.10 pet for Wary 0.9.4 from this thread:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=462032#462032

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 11:34    Post subject:  

Is this the same configuration (options) as the current wary version, or is Barry's configured differently?
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 11:37    Post subject:  

@DaveS

See this thread for compiling seamonkey for Wary
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=460816#460816

How about having a go at compiling Seamonkey 2.1?
Source is available at the mozilla.org website.

I've been having a go with compiling the latest Firefox for Wary. Seems much more difficult than compiling Seamonkey. Big problems with compile-time dependencies.

I did manage to get a functioning build for Firefox 4 Beta (Minefield) in Ubuntu (64 bit though)

This looks very interesting. Would be excellent to get this built for Puppy/Wary. Nice new interface features and fast. Seems stable as well.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 11:43    Post subject:  

tronkel wrote:


How about having a go at compiling Seamonkey 2.1?
Source is available at the mozilla.org website.



I did do a normal install for 2.1 but flash performance fell below acceptable on some sites, so I left it. Figured I would wait for a non beta.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 11:44    Post subject:  

DaveS wrote:

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Is this the same configuration (options) as the current wary version, or is Barry's configured differently?


This will not be the same configuration as Barry uses. These builds that I made use the default configuration as suggested by Billtoo in the above link to his forum message.

Would be good to experiment and see if any stuff can be disabled in order to get a smaller pet package. The default configure seems to work well though. The current pet is just under 16MB - so it's certainly overweight.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 11:51    Post subject:  

And somehow Barry compiles without dbus.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 12:13    Post subject:  

There may well have been serious crashes in previous recent Seamonkey versions that could have represented security risks. Mozilla seems to have been aware of this and have released security updates in short order.

This latest 2.0.10 version is playing much better with my hardware. I can leave Seamonkey open and reboot the PC without getting the "embarassment" message the next time Seamonkey restarts. I'll stick with this overweight pet for the moment and see how it pans out.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 12:28    Post subject:  

tronkel wrote:
How about having a go at compiling Seamonkey 2.1?


For users like me who have only 256 MB of RAM, there is no way to keep the full distro in RAM. So, why to prefer compiled alpha/beta version of a browser to nightly static packages simply downloaded to the HD?

* Performance? I don't think so. I have to reload such a big packages from the HD due to memory limitations anyway. And I have to install dbus for another reason.
* Stability? No. It's better to have the stable Seamonkey at its privileged place. Other programs directly use some SM modules.
* Libs duplicated unnecessarily? No problem. There is enough place on the HD.
* Makes others who have gigs of memory happy? Hm. Maybe yes. But imagine that there is a Puppy-specific, fat-free package created from a nightly build of Seamonkey/Firefox etc. Ready with lots of effort, valid until the next nightly build. ( ***** It's funny: my static Firefox 4.0b6 just asking me whether to update itself to 4.0b8pre. ***** I back up text of this post, auto-update completes, I continue using the new FF version ***** )
* Just for fun? If so, you are right. I could have bought another laptop with multiple cores and gigs of memory. But my old PII Toshiba Tecra runs Puppy fast enough. And I keep it alive for fun. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 13:06    Post subject:  

Frugal installation on ext3 and ext4 partitions. Tried it first on ext4 partition, and wary_094.sfs could not be located. Now, an identical installation on an ext3 partition works perfectly.

Except for the problem with an ext4 partition, everything, including printing and scanning works. Hardware detection, stability and speed is exceptional.

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=== /initrd/tmp/EXTRASFSS ===

devx_java1.6.0.20-i586-sfs4.sfs
LibreOffice_3.3.0_beta2_sfs4.sfs
wary_devx_094.sfs
wine-1.2.1-i486-sfs4.sfs

=== User Installed Pkgs (PPM) ===
Package Description
hplip-3.9.12-scan HP Scanner Driver
pwidgets-2.3.0 Pwidgets tiny desktop apps
LHP_sys_info-0.3 Lighthouse System Information & Video Report
seamonkey_wary-2.0.10-i486 SeaMonkey web browser
wcpufreq-0.4 CPU Frequency Scaling Tool
Above list of installed software is taken from TazOC's LHP_sys_info-0.3, Lighthouse System Information & Video Report which provides a lot of useful information. TazOC has also released wcpufreq-0.4, CPU Frequency Scaling Tool that works fine on Wary.

LibreOffice works great and a sfs is available here for those interested in trying the latest beta2. Tronkel's latest Seamonkey is also exceptional.

NOTE: The problem with an ext4 partition is due to an incorrect entry that I missed in the menu.lst. Sorry for incorrect report.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 13:21    Post subject: The nature of the build of Firefox  

tronkel wrote:
...I've been having a go with compiling the latest Firefox for Wary. Seems much more difficult than compiling Seamonkey. Big problems with compile-time dependencies...
The compile of Firefox is step number approximately-110 in the 2-hundred-and-thirty-something-step procedure of building the full Gnome desktop, when building Gnome using gnome.org's purpose-built build-tool, which is called jhbuild.

So, I suspect that the developers of Firefox maintain its makefile under the expectation and assumption that a substantial fraction of the full Gnome desktop (all harmonized to the identical kernel and glibc) will be already present, on the machine on which Firefox is compiled.

So, building Firefox with high confidence that you nailed all the dependencies does not seem practical to me, except unless you build Firefox by running jhbuild as if you intend to build Gnome, but then just stop after Firefox (which is in two parts: 'xulrunner', then 'mozilla', in the jhbuild descriptors) is compiled. And then you would have to extract Firefox and its dependencies from the partial Gnome desktop you have just built.

It would not surprise me if Seamonkey, to truly get it 100% right, is similarly demanding.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 13:23    Post subject:  

@gJuhasz

This idea of compiling a Seamonkey 2.1 Alpha version would simply be for experimental/fun reasons. Really just a review of what's coming in the future. These packages would always remain as optional pets for the more adventurous class of user. This has always been the case.

The Toshiba Tecra range of laptops goes back a long way. I once had a new one. It had only 16MB of RAM and a 133Mhz processor way back then. Everyone thought I was some sort of plutocrat at that time, being able to own a state-of-the-art laptop. LOL.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 13:31    Post subject:  

Sit Heel Speak wrote:

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It would not surprise me if Seamonkey, to truly get it 100% right, is similarly demanding.


It must be that the Seamonkey developers are not making the same assumptions about Gnome as do the Firefox developers.

Once the standard 4 dbus packages (available via the Wary package repo) were installed, it was an almost trivial matter to build from the stable source (59MB) downloaded form the Mozilla website.

I wonder if Thunderbird is as difficult to compile for Wary as Firefox is. I'm very tempted to have a go with that.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 15:30    Post subject: Missing FF packages...  

...were:
libxul.so
and
alsa-lib

Same result on FULL install from a different mirror. But everything still works.

Claws is now an independent fork from Sylpheed-Claws, so, please, could kind coder compile Claws? Would recommend it replace Sylpheed in the .pet list, although EudoraOSE 1.0 would be even better.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Oct 2010, 16:39    Post subject: re: bootable usb sticks  

Please try editing the syslinux.cfg and/or isolinux.cfg on the usb media to read pmedia=usb rather than pmedia=cd. Works for me when using unetbootin to create usb sticks.
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