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gabe

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:00    Post subject:  

Hm, ignore my post earlier about my graphics card giving me trouble. I don't think the graphics card is the issue. The same random X dropout can be observed with the vesa driver. Suddenly while browsing or something, it drops to commandline (xorg apparently dies).

This is a full install of 239. I have 256MB RAM and a 1024MB swap partition (set up later with gparted).

Back to the video stuff.

I received the video test pack. I was able to observe washing on xvid/divx videos (due to the post-processing) but all were very low resolution and bitrate (400kbps) so none choked the player. However, the same aliasing and gaggies (comb artifacts) can be seen in scenes of high-speed horizontal motion or scenes in which an object jumps from one position to a higher one -- there is a brief moment wherein the combs do appear. It's subtle, but quite obvious to me. The proof is in the pudding -- again, disabling the post-processing and interlacing fixed the display issue. The slow speed issue is much more apparent running high resolution / high bitrate modern clips (not those from 2005!) on netbook (or lower-spec) hardware. The interlacing specifically makes such a profound difference that the difference between leaving it erroneously enabled (again, it SHOULD NOT be enabled by default; and to a lesser extent neither should post-processing) was the difference between playing smoothly and playing AT ALL (it would freeze on one frame in gnome-mplayer).

The "fix" for both playback issues turns out to be ridiculously simple and patently obvious: disable the two default options that both create incorrect output and slow down playback exponentially.
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bigpup


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:10    Post subject:  

Luci 239
from live CD
initial boot up
no save file;

1. Quickpet>news>Lucid Puppy News
Midori browser starts up with the news page and no warning about Midori being a basic browser. You know the problems that can cause.
If you go to desktop>browser icon and select midori from the list, then run midori, you get the warning.

2. Quickpet>drivers> click here to test graphics card
I have a Nvidia graphics card and it suggests Xorg-high for driver.

3.Quickpet>drivers>Nvidia drivers
Installed driver from the list and a info message displayed telling me to run Xorgwizard to set up driver for use.
I suggest changing this info to recommend doing the test after selecting the resolution setting.
Using xorgwizard;
Why test?
The test is recommended in Red warning message in the info on the resolution selection window.
It will give you following info after test is run;
Resolution setting
refresh rate
video driver that was selected and is in use.
It will give you the option to change refresh rate. (only place to do this in xorgwizard)
If probe picks the wrong driver you get the option to correct.
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01micko


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:40    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Luci 239
from live CD
initial boot up
no save file; (snip)

2. Quickpet>drivers> click here to test graphics card
I have a Nvidia graphics card and it suggests Xorg-high for driver.


I thought we caught all those bigpup.. can you post a screeny of the graphics test?
Cheers

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:47    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
bigpup wrote:
Luci 239
from live CD
initial boot up
no save file; (snip)

2. Quickpet>drivers> click here to test graphics card
I have a Nvidia graphics card and it suggests Xorg-high for driver.


I thought we caught all those bigpup.. can you post a screeny of the graphics test?
Cheers
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scsijon

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:48    Post subject: luci239 report  

sorry playdayz,

last version tested was 236 which was ok on sat box 1, nogo on dialup box2 (modem only).

239 fails on both with video, probe and select (intel 915(sat) and radeon (dialup)); start firewall on both (sanity check, could not find filter table); modem (agere winmodem); ethernet (10base1000).

will add details tomorrow as have just 16meg of sat left.

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01micko


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:50    Post subject:  

Ok, thanks bigpup.

One more favour...
Code:
lspci|grep VGA


from terminal, please paste result

Cheers

EDIT: may be something to do with the radeon/ati code I added.. did it work before?

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:02    Post subject:  

here Gweled I left the locals in, only added 6kb to the pet.
Also compiled with a static mikmod to keep the deps down Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:12    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
Ok, thanks bigpup.

One more favour...
Code:
lspci|grep VGA


from terminal, please paste result

Cheers

EDIT: may be something to do with the radeon/ati code I added.. did it work before?


# lspci|grep VGA
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV37GL [Quadro PCI-E Series] (rev a2)
#
The Quickpet>drivers>click here to test your graphics card has always recommended xorg_high driver instead of Nvidia driver.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:51    Post subject:  

Luci 239
frugal install
save file

used Grub4dos to set up boot loader. Found all other operating systems and setup with proper entries in menu.lst. No manual input from me. Works great.

In Menu>system
You have both versions of Grub bootloader config.
Grub bootloader config
Grub4dos bootloader config

If Grub4dos is working so well do you need to have Grub bootloader config?
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Billtoo


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Location: Ontario Canada

PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov 2010, 00:10    Post subject: Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-239 New Version NOV 25
Subject description: multisession dvd
 

I tried another method of installing 239.
I booted the live cd with pfix=ram and when it booted up I burned the
239.iso to a multisession dvd in pburn.
Next boot I booted from the multisession dvd with pfix=ram and added
the ati driver from quickpet and installed a few pets, then rebooted
and saved to the dvd.
I've done a few reboots and each time there is another folder it loads
off the dvd during bootup.
This last time that I rebooted it loaded from 4 folders on the dvd and
it keeps promising me that the next boot will be faster Smile
I always seem to have 1.6 GB of storage space when I hold the cursor
over the partview icon in the tray.
There is 3.1 gb of free space on the dvd according to partview and
I've added quit a few things.
It takes a little longer to boot up but other than that it's working
great.

Edit: I just noticed the option to not save the session, so I suppose if I
set up some directories on my hard drive to save downloads and
documents etc. I'd never need to save the session unless I go on a pet
installing binge.

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov 2010, 00:38    Post subject: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60702  

In 239

Quote:
I go to big town to buy a statue of Guan Yin? Amida Buddha female counter part.

Wow. I have a statue from my grandmother. Chanting the Amida Buddha mantra is one of the quickest ways of getting to a euphoric state, without using Puppy or unauthorised medication . . .
Make sure you do a puja for me - I need all the help I can get . . .
Kwan Yin is a development of Tara and Chenrezig or the earlier Durga and Avalokiteshvara.
Getting a statue is as much use as getting a chicken without praying to it.
Churches in England often have chicken ('roosters') on them as they supplanted an earlier Colonel Sanders type cult.
Amida is one of the simplest practices - you can just chant the name
and find improvements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amit%C4%81bha
Good luck Nooby.
I will start a thread on Buddhism in the totally off topic section to offer further insight on chicken worshiping . . .
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=470929#470929

Larry - why not use CD-RW or the faster DVD-RW if your machine has the option?
You should get 100 rewrites out of one disk . . .

Quote:
Pidgin: My proposal is that we configure pidgin with a generic login to IRC #puppylinux--say, newpuppyuser, so that when people on the channel see that logon they will be on their best behavior.

Sounds good to me

Have updated wiki to 239 (hope there are no mistakes) Smile
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy52

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov 2010, 01:17    Post subject:  

bigpup

This patch should fix your nvidia detection issue.. I just hope it doesn't break the test for anyone else.

Cheers
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov 2010, 02:00    Post subject:  

Quote:
In Menu>system
You have both versions of Grub bootloader config.
Grub bootloader config
Grub4dos bootloader config

If Grub4dos is working so well do you need to have Grub bootloader config?

I think we do yes. Grub bootloader config is well-tried and tested. Grub4dos is still under what I would call initial development; for instance, it has been changed in last two luci versions. I should not say initial development, rather just development. Version 1.6.3 is on the way.

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov 2010, 02:05    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
bigpup

This patch should fix your nvidia detection issue.. I just hope it doesn't break the test for anyone else.

Cheers

Installed patch. no change. Still recommends xorg-high driver.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov 2010, 02:12    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
Quote:
In Menu>system
You have both versions of Grub bootloader config.
Grub bootloader config
Grub4dos bootloader config

If Grub4dos is working so well do you need to have Grub bootloader config?

I think we do yes. Grub bootloader config is well-tried and tested. Grub4dos is still under what I would call initial development; for instance, it has been changed in last two luci versions.

What problems are people having with Grub4dos? Seems to be working fine now.
Anyone try it and not getting good results?
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