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#1516 Post by Brown Mouse »

playdayz wrote:Brown Mouse
Something not quite right with Pidgin.When you click a web link from within chat,it opens up the 'Browser installer'.

Use the browser-default to make Opera the default browser. The pet (which I made) does not do that, unfortunately.

browser-default is the globe next to the menu button in the lower left.
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Thanks,problem solved :)

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#1517 Post by playdayz »

edoc,
Boot with the parameter 'pfix=nox'. That should boot to a prompt. At the prompt enter 'xorg-setup'. That will start the xorgwizard. Or enter xorgwizard twice==same result.

We have not changed any graphics since 236, but Barry may have changed something in Woof. I would like to know.

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#1518 Post by edoc »

No joy, pfix-nox made no difference, the blank screen was unresponsive.
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#1519 Post by nooby »

playdayz wrote:
Nooby wrote : So symlink or anything just making a first time version of Luci_238 that a newbie would only installed a browser I chose FF 4.07

Next boot failed. and next boot failed too. They go to kernel panic.
Playdayz suggests:

Probably better to use luci-239.

So you boot with pfix=ram. Then you install FF 4b7. Then you Shutdown and in shutdown you create a save file? Then it will not reboot?

Perhaps, Shutdown and create a Save file before you install anything.

would that really help I did try to be very basic using luci-239 so I doubt I did something wrong.

The cool thing is that Puppy Studio that are based on Lupu5.1.1 do boot each time but I have not tested more than two in a row.

Luci fail to boot each first time and most likely the second and only boot on third reboot.

What has changed in that regard that luci would be more problematic to boot compared to lupu?


I go to bed now so will not do any test for some 12 hour or more in case I go to big town to buy a statue of Guan Yin? Amida Buddha female counter part.
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#1520 Post by ICPUG »

DM was on fire! wrote:ICPUG, you will find that no matter what puplet you are running, they are all essentially the same on the inside. They might have different WMs or programs, but the base system is all the same. :)
The base system is not all the same! As woof develops the underlying scripts change, so a system based on woof as at November 2010 may be different to that based on woof at October 2010.

Then there are those puplets not based on woof at all but maybe T2 or maybe the puplet developer uses his own method/scripts.

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#1521 Post by playdayz »

edoc
No joy, pfix-nox made no difference, the blank screen was unresponsive.
Did you put the pfix=nox into the boot parameters in grub--the ones you listed?

Or, make a Cd and boot with that and at the beginning when it asks for parameters enter 'puppy pfix=nox'
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#1522 Post by ICPUG »

playdayz wrote:
Re hyphen or underscore

It was Barry who moved from underscore to hyphen sometime around 4.3.1 (? maybe before that). This caused a bit of a problem with any iso busting tools that did not take account of the CD format being used. A simple file rename would solve it.

I cannot remember when but Barry moved back to underscore again recently because of the problems. Presumably this is why underscore now appears with luci_238.

Barry has been doing a lot of things to woof recently and reversing some things he did previously.
Please anyone help me out here with some explanation.

The underscore is a problem for windows users booting from a usb stick. Do I have that correct--so I can report to Barry. Thank you.
Hi Playdayz,

No, the user who had a problem with booting from a usb stick, Gabe, noticed an underscore in the name and being used to a hyphen surmised this might be the cause.

I made the comment above just to outline the history of the hyphen/underscore feature and that underscore is probably OK now. For reference, Barry mentioned moving back to underscore in his blog here:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01812

In an earlier post Shinobar referenced what is probably the real cause of the problem. Unetbootin, which had been used to copy the files had created a boot entry with pmedia=cd, because it copied the isolinux.cfg from the cd. In the latest version of woof this does not work when trying to boot from USB (seems reasonable to me). Shinobar suggested changing to pmedia=usbflash and found it worked for him.

I don't think there is anything to report to Barry re the underscore.
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#1523 Post by shinobar »

Thanks don. The rebuild mtpaint seems work with NLS.
But the PET has mistaken directory and fails to install.
By the way, isn't the name of the pet better to be 'mtpaint-2.24.57-lucid1' or something rather than 'mtpaint-intl-'? Only my thought.
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#1524 Post by playdayz »

Brown Mouse wrote:
playdayz wrote:Brown Mouse
Something not quite right with Pidgin.When you click a web link from within chat,it opens up the 'Browser installer'.

Use the browser-default to make Opera the default browser. The pet (which I made) does not do that, unfortunately.

browser-default is the globe next to the menu button in the lower left.
Playdayz

Thanks,problem solved :)
I have fixed the Opera pet http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... -Lucid.pet

Thanks for testing Pidgin, btw.

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#1525 Post by playdayz »

As woof develops the underlying scripts change, so a system based on woof as at November 2010 may be different to that based on woof at October 2010.
Yes, as ICPUG says. That's why I am crazy! ;-)

Got it about the underscore too ICPUG. Thanks.

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#1526 Post by playdayz »

What has changed in that regard that luci would be more problematic to boot compared to lupu?
Some versions of luci might have had a problem with being too large to load into ram successfully. That has been fixed with luci-239.

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#1527 Post by playdayz »

Thanks don. The rebuild mtpaint seems work with NLS.
But the PET has mistaken directory and fails to install
We have all been there don. No worries. Stay with it.

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#1528 Post by edoc »

playdayz wrote:edoc
No joy, pfix-nox made no difference, the blank screen was unresponsive.
Did you put the pfix=nox into the boot parameters in grub--the ones you listed?

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 # Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Puppy Linux luci_239 Frugal (on /dev/sda2)
  root (hd0,1)
  kernel (hd0,1)/luci_239/vmlinuz pfix=fsck PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=sda2 psubdir=luci_239 acpi=noirq nosmp vga=normal video=640x480 pfix-nox
  initrd (hd0,1)/luci_239/initrd.gz
  # Linux bootable partition config ends
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#1529 Post by James C »

Luci-239 live pfix=ram on the main Linux box.No problems....sound and internet working on initial boot as well as the correct 1440x900 screen resolution.
Back in a few from frugal install in test box..

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#1530 Post by James C »

edoc wrote: vga=normal video=640x480 pfix-nox
Should be "pfix=nox".

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#1531 Post by gabe »

Hm, ignore my post earlier about my graphics card giving me trouble. I don't think the graphics card is the issue. The same random X dropout can be observed with the vesa driver. Suddenly while browsing or something, it drops to commandline (xorg apparently dies).

This is a full install of 239. I have 256MB RAM and a 1024MB swap partition (set up later with gparted).

Back to the video stuff.

I received the video test pack. I was able to observe washing on xvid/divx videos (due to the post-processing) but all were very low resolution and bitrate (400kbps) so none choked the player. However, the same aliasing and gaggies (comb artifacts) can be seen in scenes of high-speed horizontal motion or scenes in which an object jumps from one position to a higher one -- there is a brief moment wherein the combs do appear. It's subtle, but quite obvious to me. The proof is in the pudding -- again, disabling the post-processing and interlacing fixed the display issue. The slow speed issue is much more apparent running high resolution / high bitrate modern clips (not those from 2005!) on netbook (or lower-spec) hardware. The interlacing specifically makes such a profound difference that the difference between leaving it erroneously enabled (again, it SHOULD NOT be enabled by default; and to a lesser extent neither should post-processing) was the difference between playing smoothly and playing AT ALL (it would freeze on one frame in gnome-mplayer).

The "fix" for both playback issues turns out to be ridiculously simple and patently obvious: disable the two default options that both create incorrect output and slow down playback exponentially.

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#1532 Post by bigpup »

Luci 239
from live CD
initial boot up
no save file;

1. Quickpet>news>Lucid Puppy News
Midori browser starts up with the news page and no warning about Midori being a basic browser. You know the problems that can cause.
If you go to desktop>browser icon and select midori from the list, then run midori, you get the warning.

2. Quickpet>drivers> click here to test graphics card
I have a Nvidia graphics card and it suggests Xorg-high for driver.

3.Quickpet>drivers>Nvidia drivers
Installed driver from the list and a info message displayed telling me to run Xorgwizard to set up driver for use.
I suggest changing this info to recommend doing the test after selecting the resolution setting.
Using xorgwizard;
Why test?
The test is recommended in Red warning message in the info on the resolution selection window.
It will give you following info after test is run;
Resolution setting
refresh rate
video driver that was selected and is in use.
It will give you the option to change refresh rate. (only place to do this in xorgwizard)
If probe picks the wrong driver you get the option to correct.
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#1533 Post by 01micko »

bigpup wrote:Luci 239
from live CD
initial boot up
no save file; (snip)

2. Quickpet>drivers> click here to test graphics card
I have a Nvidia graphics card and it suggests Xorg-high for driver.
I thought we caught all those bigpup.. can you post a screeny of the graphics test?
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#1534 Post by bigpup »

01micko wrote:
bigpup wrote:Luci 239
from live CD
initial boot up
no save file; (snip)

2. Quickpet>drivers> click here to test graphics card
I have a Nvidia graphics card and it suggests Xorg-high for driver.
I thought we caught all those bigpup.. can you post a screeny of the graphics test?
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#1535 Post by scsijon »

sorry playdayz,

last version tested was 236 which was ok on sat box 1, nogo on dialup box2 (modem only).

239 fails on both with video, probe and select (intel 915(sat) and radeon (dialup)); start firewall on both (sanity check, could not find filter table); modem (agere winmodem); ethernet (10base1000).

will add details tomorrow as have just 16meg of sat left.

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