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gabe

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 03:42    Post_subject:  

BUGS
- JWM theme bug still exists. To reproduce: Boot live media. Menu -> Desktop -> Desktop Settings -> cfthemes GTK Theme Chooser. Choose Polished-blue. Press OK. Menu -> Desktop -> Desktop Settings -> JWM Configuration. Click "Or, apply current GTK theme to JWM." Now either "Restart JWM now" or just click "Choose a JWM theme." None will work, and the bottom bar MAY permanently disappear. Restarting JWM or Xorg does not fix the issue. VERY bad.

- Gnome Mplayer is very broken. It is incredibly slow and there is a tearing glitch where all motion results in jaggies (videos look like they are interlaced). This is the Intel GMA950 (945 mobile chipset), the most common linux laptop/netbook configuration in the world. (No, really!) VLC is fine. VLC also plays DVDs perfectly with embedded menus.

- Browser should NOT load for first-time users! Midori comes up with full URL and Google search bar at the top, but does NOT function properly (limited functionality). Gmail doesn't work, scrollbars disappear, etc. There is NO WARNING that the browser is crippled. The "warning" is only given AFTER this start-up intro (with "woof woof" sound effect) is presented (i.e. the user has to manually choose it from the menu in order for this warning to appear).

- Thunar file manager (in "official" xfce .pet in post #1) does not launch under JWM (it's in the menu!), instead throwing a "Could not open %F" error and closing.

IMPRESSIONS
- Boot is fast (after I finally got it working with a hack), default theme appears old-fashioned but usable, default "deformed cursor" when choosing from X menus is VERY ugly. The wonderful Aqua theme (with the pretty blue-coiled scroll bars etc) from 4.x is gone! Wireless was fairly easy to set up, and guided me through the process. There is no option to disable "touch to click" in the trackpad without disabling scrolling too (or I couldn't find it).
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Jades

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 08:59    Post_subject:  

noryb009 wrote:
Jades: Can you please click console on your desktop, and type each of the following lines, and see what each one says/does:

Code:
Abiword
Geany
GNUmeric


All three generate a message saying "Illegal instruction" on the next line and don't do anything further.

HTH.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 09:18    Post_subject:  

playdayz wrote:
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Zhaan (K6 2 500) and while I haven't noticed any problems on the former machine, I can't say the same of the latter.

How much ram in the K6?


512MB. HardInfo report for the machine while running Luci 238 is at http://www.jades.org/comps/hir_zhn_luci238.html if you'd like more specifications.

playdayz wrote:
We discovered a problem with Luci-238 loading on machines with 256MB ram or less. It doesn't load correctly and one indication is that there is no background or icons on the screen. I have one myself.


I haven't seen that particular problem. The only issue I've noticed so far on the K6 has been that the three apps I mentioned earlier won't load.

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ICPUG

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 09:35    Post_subject:  

Re hyphen or underscore

It was Barry who moved from underscore to hyphen sometime around 4.3.1 (? maybe before that). This caused a bit of a problem with any iso busting tools that did not take account of the CD format being used. A simple file rename would solve it.

I cannot remember when but Barry moved back to underscore again recently because of the problems. Presumably this is why underscore now appears with luci_238.

Barry has been doing a lot of things to woof recently and reversing some things he did previously.

The one I particularly like - he has stopped copying the sfs to the hard drive - whether you ask for it or not. I hope 5.2 when it gets released will have picked this latest change up from woof.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 10:30    Post_subject:  

ICPUG wrote:
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Barry has been doing a lot of things to woof recently and reversing some things he did previously.

The one I particularly like - he has stopped copying the sfs to the hard drive - whether you ask for it or not. I hope 5.2 when it gets released will have picked this latest change up from woof.


Can you comment more on that one I made bold.

what are the pro et cons for that particular one. When does this happen?
And why does it help that he changed the behavior of that script now?

Choice is always good but what bad did it do?

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 10:37    Post_subject:  

Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-238 New Version NOV 20


I guess this Puppy is not supposed to be made for the very small Netbooks like 10" inches Atom CPU Acer Aspire One D250 or similar computers?

Or is it me that need to start all over.

Fluppy008 boots every time while Lucid Puppy Luci-238 boots irregularly.

unpredictablly. Can fail several times in a row but usually boot at 3rd try but sometime one need to try 5 times.

So why don't I use Fluppy or Puppeee that are made for such computers?

Because they are not Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-238 New Version NOV 20
compatible.

pdf in fluppy fails when it works in Luci.
.rm files works in luci and fails in Fluppy.

Everything look different in Fluppy.

So I either need a Luci that works in Acer D250 or a way to reuse the programs from luci that works and somehow reuse them in Fluppy.

Am I alone having this problem with booting?


Will luci work for my gear or am I stuck with Fluppy?

Then I need to make these pdf and mplayer programs get over to Fluppy. How?

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Jades

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 11:23    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
ICPUG wrote:
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Barry has been doing a lot of things to woof recently and reversing some things he did previously.

The one I particularly like - he has stopped copying the sfs to the hard drive - whether you ask for it or not. I hope 5.2 when it gets released will have picked this latest change up from woof.


Can you comment more on that one I made bold.

what are the pro et cons for that particular one. When does this happen?


On a Live CD bootup, such as the ones I'm using, copying the SFS file to the hard drive can result in quicker startup times compared to loading it from the CD drive. On Luci-238 you're asked whether you want to copy the file on the first reboot, after the bit where you're asked if you want to create a save file.

On subsequent boots Puppy will spot the SFS on the hard drive and use it rather than the one on the CD. On my machines I have the SFS file in the same directory as the Pupsave.

As well as quicker boots, you can also take the CD out once you've booted regardless of how much RAM you have (AIUI) as Puppy will be using the SFS on hard drive.

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And why does it help that he changed the behavior of that script now?Choice is always good but what bad did it do?


Sometimes automatically writing a 100-odd meg file to a hard drive or USB stick can cause problems - either because the drive is actually faulty or because there isn't enough space.

If you choose not to copy the SFS to your drive when asked, you can manually copy the file from the CD later on once you've resolved whatever issue meant you didn't want to earlier (i.e. you've freed up some space).

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Brown Mouse


Joined: 09 Jun 2009
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Location: Tenerife Canary Islands

PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 11:42    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-238 New Version NOV 20


I guess this Puppy is not supposed to be made for the very small Netbooks like 10" inches Atom CPU Acer Aspire One D250 or similar computers?

Or is it me that need to start all over.

Fluppy008 boots every time while Lucid Puppy Luci-238 boots irregularly.

unpredictablly. Can fail several times in a row but usually boot at 3rd try but sometime one need to try 5 times.

So why don't I use Fluppy or Puppeee that are made for such computers?

Because they are not Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-238 New Version NOV 20
compatible.

pdf in fluppy fails when it works in Luci.
.rm files works in luci and fails in Fluppy.

Everything look different in Fluppy.

So I either need a Luci that works in Acer D250 or a way to reuse the programs from luci that works and somehow reuse them in Fluppy.

Am I alone having this problem with booting?


Will luci work for my gear or am I stuck with Fluppy?

Then I need to make these pdf and mplayer programs get over to Fluppy. How?


Yes that would be a shame as I use one myself,though I've not tested any of the Luci versions on it.
I wonder why it would differ from say 511 which I now have successfully running on it.
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 12:00    Post_subject:  

Hi guys well I spent most of the day one this, Basically I made a static version of Dillo web browser, I also edited the sources to change the default browser page to google and change the icon theme to some Gnome/tango Icons I had, you have to manually add the icons in the actually source files, Its imbedded in the code. I also added links to common puppy stuff in the bookmarks and yes Gmail doesn't work. I can look at the main Gmail inbox but it doesn't open the files, I also enabled cookies but made a small script in the startup that deletes the cookies every time you bootup or restart X.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 12:04    Post_subject:  

here's the altered sources
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 12:15    Post_subject:  

Here's the static FLT backend if you want to recompile Dillo, not needed to run it
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 12:21    Post_subject:  

I'll work on the fonts tomorrow its late tonight and just wanted to get this in the wild Smile
I'll probably alter the sources tomorrow for better fonts. Then recompile and make a new pet

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 12:23    Post_subject:  

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midori is meant to be an internal browser for very limited purposes. When you start it from the menu there should be a warning message. There is a full version in the puppy Package Manager if you like midori Wink

The first time you click the browse icon on the desktop youa re asked to choose a real browser!

I see! But there was no warning message because it popped up by itself (welcome screen, with "woof woof!"

Lucid 5.2 and the development versions (luci-239, etc) do not open the browser in that way for the welcome screen.

Quote:
Gnome-mplayer

Mplayer is also different in Lucid 5.2 development versions. You might check Prefeneces and set the Video to xv and postprocessing to maximum. In 5.1 you might download a newer mplayer from PPM: Multimedia.

Quote:
A hint: at bootup, it looks for luci_238.sfs (note the underscore) while all other puppy versions (ever) have looked for name-### (note the DASH/HYPHEN). The significance of the underscore being bad was discussed ages ago under "Warning to MS Windows users" here, but the problem ONLY applies to 238, NOT 5.1.1 or 4.2, etc.

This looks like something Barry changed in Woof, because it is nothing we did. We will inform him. Thanks.

Quote:
One more thing -- JWM's bottom panel disappeared (permanently) when I selected "bluish-gradient" as my GTK theme followed by "Use GTK theme" in JWM settings. Is this fixed in 5.2?

Barry has said that this is fixed in the newest Woof which is not yet released.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 12:26    Post_subject: Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-238 New Version NOV 20
Sub_title: dosbox
 

This pet is the dosbox dos emulator, it needs the SDL_net-1.2.7.pet
installed as well to work.
It creates an entry in the Fun category of the puppy menu.

I have a directory on my hard drive named dosprog which contains all
my dos programs that I use in dosbox, to mount the dosprog directory as
drive c in dosbox I enter the command:

mount c /mnt/sda1/dosprog

Now I enter c: to switch to my c: drive in dosbox and I can run the
games etc. in my dosprog directory.

I compiled the source code and made the pets for these in luci 238.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 12:28    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx,
We need the internal browser to run Cups which requires javascript, as well as to display Help and LupuNews from Quickpet. Thanks.
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