Lupu-515 Beta New Version DEC 18

[Jim1911]

Frugal installation with all my normal applications was flawless. Luci 238 looks solid. XineDVD player is great, it needs to be made the default media player.

Weird problem with trying to upgrade a full HD installation of Luci 237. This installation was originally 236, then upgraded from 236 to 237 without problem. Now with the upgrade to 238, my CD/DVD drive is not seen. Also Optical Drive Wizard does not work, when trying to choose the CD or DVD, it just brings up an Usage for Xdialog script. Other software appears to be working correctly.

The following extra applications are installed on both frugal and full HD installations:
=== User Installed Pkgs (PPM) ===
Package Description
Firefox-3.6.6-Lucid Firefox web browser
Lucid511_nvidia-260.19.12-k2.6.33.2 Configure NVIDIA X Server Settings
Acrobat_Reader-9.3.3-Lucid Adobe Acrobat Reader PDF application
Bibletime_lucid-2.7.2a Comprehensive Bible study program
java_jre-6u22-Lucid-pet4 Java Runtime Environment
sunbird_1.0b1-1.0b1 Sunbird personal organizer
thunderbird-3.1 e-mail client
Wbar_with_setup-1.3.3-Lucid Wbar Setup -adjust wbar settings
hplip-3.9.12-scan HP Scanner Drivers
LHP_sys_info-0.3 Lighthouse System Information & Video Report
PupApps-1.0 PupApps launcher
PupClockset-1.0 PupClockset utility
PupControl-1.0 PupControl panel
PupShutdown-1.4 PupShutdown manager
PupSnap-1.0 PupSnap screen capture
scrot_0.8-13 scrot CLI screen capture
OOO_3.3.0rc3-3.3.0rc3 Productivity suite
rainlendar2-pro_2.8.b97 Customizable desktop calendar
gnome-games-Lite_2.26.1-i486-uj Play many different games
libclucene0ldbl_0.9.21b-2 library for full-featured text search engine
libdbus-1-3_1.2.16 simple interprocess messaging system
libdbus-glib-1-2_0.84-1 simple interprocess messaging system (GLib-based shared library)
libgtkhtml3.14-19_3.29.6.is.3.28.3 HTML rendering/editing library -
libgtkhtml-editor0_3.29.6.is.3.28.3 HTML rendering/editing library -
libgtkhtml-editor-common_3.29.6.is.3.28.3 HTML rendering/editing library - editor widget data
libicu42_4.2.1-3 International Components for Unicode
lynx_2.8.8dev.2-1 Text-mode WWW Browser (transitional package)
lynx-cur_2.8.8dev.2-1 Text-mode WWW Browser with NLS support (development version)
xulrunner-1.9.2_1.9.2.3+nobinonly XUL + XPCOM application runner
libsword8_1.6.1+dfsg-1 API/library for bible software
xiphos-data_3.1.3-1 data files for Xiphos Bible study software
xiphos_3.1.3-1 environment for Bible reading, study, and research
fbreader-0.12.8 FBReader E-book reader
liblinebreak-1.2
pwidgets-2.3.1 Pwidgets tiny desktop apps

I usually don't bother with full HD installations of puppy, and only did so to test Quickpet's added capabilities. Additional testing needs to be done on full HD installations and upgrades.

Cheers,
Jim

[James C]

Fresh manual frugal install of Luci-238 on the old P3 test box.Everything working as expected.......working sound,internet and correct resolution on initial boot....only had to set the time zone.All settings persistent over a couple of reboots.
Only installed Xorg_High, Firefox 4.0 b7 and VLC so far and everything is working.XineDVD is fine...no problems with menus,fullscreen and nice smooth playback......even on this old P3.

[Bert]

<<Off-topic>>
Jim, how did you manage to get all that stuff installed so shortly after the release hour? Impressive!

[pemasu]

That must be a new world record

PS. The font storage seems to be the old one. Not yet those additions playdayz were speculating earlier in the thread.

After making savefile and rebooting xineDVD started to play DVD nicely !

[playdayz]

The font storage seems to be the old one. Not yet those additions playdayz were speculating earlier in the thread.

Correct pemasu. Those should come in the next version of Woof, which I think Barry will release right after Wary 1.0.

[Tasgarth]

Luci 238
Cd-Live > Nvidia driver (256_35) > Personalize Settings (fr_FR , azerty) ... OK
Pupsave > reboot ... OK
Pets : startmount, Iron-7.0.520,Firefox-4.0b7, sws... OK
SFS : Skype_static, VLC=streamtuner, OpenOffice, Gimp-Full ... OK
Test with XineDVD.... OK
Several reboots... OK


Excellent work every one,Tthanks.

[playdayz]

Additional testing needs to be done on full HD installations and upgrades.

jim1911, Agreed. I wonder what percentage of people use a full HD install? It is like an orphan in some ways--neither 01micko or I ever use it except for testing--and little enough of that. Plus Puppy was really designed for frugal, so imho full HD install was like an after thought. I know you know that I am just rambling. How much would we lose if we just said we did not support it.

[playdayz]

advice: Disable automatic thumbnail previews by default in rox - it slows down filer and if you have directory with many photos or images it will create many thunmbnails in /root/.thumbnails and it is one of possible RAM leachers when running in RAM.

Yes dejan, we have heard from both sides. I almost did it this time. It is one of those things that people can turn on or off like Xv versus X11 video. Should we always opt for the least common denominator in those situations?

[playdayz]

Testing DVD playing. With XineDVD i got as far as selecting language then it stopped, couldnt get it playing DVD.

Could people test please? That would be selecting the language of the movie, not of Xine, right?

After making savefile and rebooting xineDVD started to play DVD nicely !

More from pemasu. Ah-ha. Thanks.

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Here are the i686 ffmpeg libraries that I removed to compensate for the added space of XineDVD. If you install them you *might* notice improvements in video playback. It would be nice to have some information on that. I would say install the pet and then reboot just to be sure. The quality would be in mplayer not xineDVD (at least I know it would be in mplayer and I don't think it would be in xine, but, hey, it's a computer so who knows .)

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... _lucid.pet

[Bert]

238 is looking good. Solid and speedy, not unlike Puppy

* Gnome Mplyer: no video. In 'preferences' "xv" is still the default, not x11.

* Xine dvd: fullscreen:okay
directory-playing: okay
subtitles: okay!
[Spoiled Bert speaking: when dvd is inserted, Xine doesn't start up automatically]

* Decline in video quality: NO, not really, see boring details below.

* Lang-pack lupq-0.1.pet: okay again!

* Mtpaint looking good. Didn't really know what to test. (have no laptop). Nice detail for international users: there's a language pack for Mrpaint in PPM (Puppy Lucid repo).

* Cups has lost some more of its already lacking health Cups Wizard >> Administration >> "500 Internal Server Error" ...

* Pmusic has NLS file in PPM, but after installing, its menu is partly ?Japanese?

* Switching between openbox and jwm: perfect.

* small detail for mick: Quickpet's "sfsGet" button needs translation entry.

Boring video details -as promised - :

* Wheelie-ero.mp4: slightly less sharp
* Wheelie-orenson mp4: slightly less sharp
* Wheelie-mov: no quality decline
* Wheelie.mp4: no qualty decline
* Wheelie MPEG2.mpg: less sharp
* Wheelie.rm: no quality decline
* Wheelie.sorensenvideo2chr.mov: less sharp
* Wheelie.sparkpro.swf: no quality decline
* Wheelie.wmv: No quality decline.

Seen with my subjective eyes, fullscreen, Atom Ion 330 on a Saturday night but without fever
Congratulations and thanks for your ongoing commitment!

[playdayz]

it needs to be made the default media player.

You know, I would really like to have 1) default dvd player, 2) default media/video player, 3) default audio player, because I do not now think there is any one app that does it all well (maybe VLC comes closest). That's what I have on my other operating system (several programs). This XineDVD is stripped to concentrate on DVD's--it will play some other stuff but not all the other stuff--that's why I called it XineDVD DVD Player to try to steer everyone that way

Well, now that I think of it, that is what I do have now, dvd player, video player, audio player, XineDVD, mplayer, and the first pet I install is Audacious.


Don't forget that with mplayer we also get gecko-mediaplayer which seems to be handling the browser playback chores nicely also as well as playing all of the video clips we have tried, without crashing!!!

And here come the DeaDBeef advocates I admit they have a point. What if it made the iso go to 140MB?

People can also change their default audio player to Pmusic.

[playdayz]

* Gnome Mplyer: no video. In 'preferences' "xv" is still the default, not x11.

Yes Bert, I meant to change it and thought I did but Noooooo. Next time I hope.

These details are what you remember or did you add the i686 libraries and compare?

Boring video details -as promised Wink- :

* Wheelie-ero.mp4: slightly less sharp
* Wheelie-orenson mp4: slightly less sharp
* Wheelie-mov: no quality decline
* Wheelie.mp4: no qualty decline
* Wheelie MPEG2.mpg: less sharp
* Wheelie.rm: no quality decline
* Wheelie.sorensenvideo2chr.mov: less sharp
* Wheelie.sparkpro.swf: no quality decline
* Wheelie.wmv: No quality decline.

Spoiled Bert speaking: when dvd is inserted, Xine doesn't start up automatically]

I agree. Maybe someone will tell me how

[Bert]

These details are what you remember or did you add the i686 libraries and compare?

Compared to what I remembered yes. Only saw your libraries.pet after I posted. Will give it a try.

[Jim1911]

Additional testing needs to be done on full HD installations and upgrades.

I wonder what percentage of people use a full HD install? It is like an orphan in some ways--neither 01micko or I ever use it except for testing--and little enough of that. Plus Puppy was really designed for frugal, so imho full HD install was like an after thought. I know you know that I am just rambling. How much would we lose if we just said we did not support it.

No idea about the percentage. I prefer frugal installation, but I've seen posts by strong advocates of full HD. Also, many beginners want to use a full installation because that is what they are used too. I believe that both need to be supported. The update scripts have been reliable in the past, however, they probably need update. The main objection that I've had to a full hd installation is the use of sfs files which Mick has already addressed with his new sfs installer in Quickpet.

@01micko, could your sfs installer be released as a stand alone package that could be used with other sfs packages that are not identified by Quickpet? Just drag to sfs installer, drop, and install.

Cheers,
Jim

[Jim1911]

No quality decline.

Spoiled Bert speaking: when dvd is inserted, Xine doesn't start up automatically]

I agree. Maybe someone will tell me how

Just edit the /usr/local/bin/defaultmediaplayer file to read:

Code: Select all

#!/bin/sh
exec xine "$@"

However, you still have to click on the dvd icon. Also, it may not be the best default since it may not play all needed formats. I've just tried dvd and wav.

Jim

[rjbrewer]

Did an "upgrade" of my full install of 237 to 238.
Everything worked okay; did have to copy new default background
from the cd to /usr/share/backgrounds.

Xine does a good job on dvds.
Dragged the Xine icon from /usr/share/applications to desktop and
use it to start dvds. I prefer keeping mplayer as default.

[01micko]

@01micko, could your sfs installer be released as a stand alone package that could be used with other sfs packages that are not identified by Quickpet? Just drag to sfs installer, drop, and install.

Well it actually is as stand alone script so you can use it as in the following code example, I guess I could release it as a separate pet but for older pups it needs more work, such as sfs v3 detection.

Try this and it should work.

Code: Select all

sfs_installation.sh  http://some/url/on/the/web/some.sfs

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Some notes about 238

*Using the xfce-cadmium gtk theme is borking gtkdialog splash. There is no colour in any of the messages. Unfortunately I can't see an obvious fix. It's not a bug in gtk-dialog splash because when Xfce is running it works perfectly. I think it's just that xfce themes are meant for xfce. Take that FWIW

*The new pinstall for nvidia-260-* works fine but I may have to move the timer down the bottom, and maybe add a few more seconds.. we don't want users getting flustered. The main thing is that the user clicks 'OK' in the petget window. Maybe that needs to be localised?

Cheers

[playdayz]

*Using the xfce-cadmium gtk theme is borking gtkdialog splash. There is no colour in any of the messages. Unfortunately I can't see an obvious fix. It's not a bug in gtk-dialog splash because when Xfce is running it works perfectly. I think it's just that xfce themes are meant for xfce. Take that FWIW

OK, I was retesting to see if that was still the case. Out they go!

*The new pinstall for nvidia-260-* works fine but I may have to move the timer down the bottom, and maybe add a few more seconds.. we don't want users getting flustered. The main thing is that the user clicks 'OK' in the petget window. Maybe that needs to be localised?

I will wait until I hear from you then.

[playdayz]

Also, it may not be the best default since it may not play all needed formats.

IMHO, we need to distinguish between defaultmediaplayer and defaultdvdplayer. I will look around in the mimes.

[playdayz]

iguleder or anyone else up for a challenge? The DeaDBeaf I built with Maverick binaries is 1968K in pet form. It needs to be 0.4.2 or latest. Can anyone compile it to much less than that--with all features, or explain why a feature is unnecessary--I consider musicbrainz necessary. Just for fun, no guarantee, but I am thinking the the default audio player should play all known formats and ours does not (some .ra files don't play).