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PostPosted: Mon 21 Feb 2011, 07:15    Post subject: spanish version?  

Has anybody tried XOpup is Spanish?
How bad is it? Surprised

Spanish is by far the dominant language among XO users so I would like to know what is needed to make it more Spanish-friendly.

If you can help with translations, even better Wink .
Thx

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Feb 2011, 19:18    Post subject:  

My daughter has an XO 1 from the 2007 first batch. I just installed the firmware "fix" http://blog.laptop.org/2011/01/08/keyboardtouchpad-freeze-and-fix/ apparently required starting in January 2011 that allows the keyboard and mouse to continue working. Now the firmware is given as

Q2D14

When I try to install the XOpup-2 linux, I get the following error(s):

<buffer@800000>:6: fw-version$ ?
<buffer@800000>:126: Undefined word encountered

So, is this a firmware version problem? The docs say that if there is a firmware mismatch, you'll get a message, but this seems more like an error.

Will installing q2e45 take care of this problem ... and will that firmware allow the keyboard/mouse to continue working?

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Feb 2011, 23:45    Post subject:  

Mark S. wrote:

Will installing q2e45 take care of this problem ... and will that firmware allow the keyboard/mouse to continue working?

In a burst of impatience we went ahead and upgraded the firmware -- making it twice in one day! Then we installed the XOpup.

My daughter is very pleased! She's impressed at how cool the opening page for puppy-xo looks -- says its better than the original pupplinux which I run on my netbook.

Sound, flash, club penguin, and Opera work, she reports. The screen "dims" too quickly for her taste, but I've read the post on the work around and hope to try a longer interval.

The biggest problem so far is that we get periodic "kill process" requests. Apparently the OLPC is in constant danger of running out of RAM. I'm thinking of putting a swapfile on the usb and see if that helps. Is there anything I should be aware of? Will this work? I see the OP says we won't be able to save on our vfat formatted boot stick. Does that mean I won't be able to put a swap file on there either?

Thanks for a great job putting puppy on the XO!

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Feb 2011, 04:26    Post subject:  

Mark S. wrote:

Q2D14

When I try to install the XOpup-2 linux, I get the following error(s):

<buffer@800000>:6: fw-version$ ?
<buffer@800000>:126: Undefined word encountered

XOpup's OFW will usually give a warning that you need to update your firmware to at least q2e45 but q2d14 is too old even for this warning to appear.
Is a good idea to update to the latest firmware in general. It only gets better with every new version and through 20-some updates that I can remember, only one had a regression problem that was quickly fixed.
But you know all these by now I guess Very Happy

Mark S. wrote:
My daughter is very pleased! She's impressed at how cool the opening page for puppy-xo looks -- says its better than the original pupplinux which I run on my netbook.

Laughing
It was a strong family battle among the 3 backgrounds but I'm partial to blue ones. My son preferred the mantis while his younger friend the trampoline. My wife cast the crucial vote, mostly as a better "fit for all" Very Happy

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The biggest problem so far is that we get periodic "kill process" requests. Apparently the OLPC is in constant danger of running out of RAM. I'm thinking of putting a swapfile on the usb and see if that helps. Is there anything I should be aware of? Will this work? I see the OP says we won't be able to save on our vfat formatted boot stick. Does that mean I won't be able to put a swap file on there either?

I believe that you can have a swap file on the vfat partition. You probably tried it already by now Wink If not, just run "mkswap-file.sh" in the terminal. When it finishes either reboot or type "swapon -a /mnt/home/pupswap.swp"

You could have the warning removed by moving freeramdaemon.sh out of the /root/Startup folder, but I certainly do not recommend it since you are going to run into trouble fast without swap. Specially if you have more than a couple of apps open or browse "heavy" pages.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb 2011, 18:30    Post subject: XOpup-2 en español  

This is a first attempt for a Spanish language pack for XOpup-2
Is based on Shinobar's lang_pack_es-lupq-0.2.pet, don570's Espagnol-Right-click-4.5.pet, unambihuo's translations of several packages and ... Google translate Laughing

The file is not working as a pet yet ( Question ), so to install download the XOpup2_lang_pack_es-0.1.tar.gz file (md5sum:8337e11322f06767bd900dca3af2270d) in your XO and then
Code:
cd /
tar xvzf /path_to_file/XOpup2_lang_pack_es-0.1.tar.gz

reboot your XO and you should be looking to something like this



The JWM window manager is also localized in a similar manner

If you want to see which are the files and hopefully improve them, just cd to an empty folder and extract the tarball in there.

I do not speak any Spanish so I can not really tell how bad is it Embarassed Very Happy Ideally a Spanish native speaker should take over this package and maybe open another thread in Spanish.

I intend to include a more "mature" version in the next XOpup's "extra_pets" folder and I would be happy to provide hosting to such a more "mature" version.

Edit: To make installation easier I made a new version (with the same data) that includes an install script. Just download the file click to extract it and click "Instalar" ( Cool ) to install it.
Here it is http://www.datafilehost.com/download-db3b348d.html
(md5sum: 4a7ed094b948b8f8ffd6ea011880f867)

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb 2011, 02:05    Post subject:  

Well, now my daughter has discovered the trampoline image and has set it as her background. The way she sounds, you would think it was a Rembrandt.

As best as I could tell, you can only set up the XO on puppy for WPA/TKIP? Not WPA2. Is this correct?

Also, the webcam utility (WxWebcam ?) doesn't seem to work. Is that normal?

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb 2011, 02:31    Post subject:  

Mark S. wrote:
Well, now my daughter has discovered the trampoline image and has set it as her background. The way she sounds, you would think it was a Rembrandt.

But it is ! His middle name is different though (Hammersoon instead of Harmenszoon Laughing )

Mark S. wrote:
As best as I could tell, you can only set up the XO on puppy for WPA/TKIP? Not WPA2. Is this correct?

No WPA2 should work fine. That's what I use in my setting. Some AP may have problems though. You can see if the 2.6.31 kernel (is in extra_pets folder) behaves better with your access point (in some cases it does). If not you can uninstall the pet and go back to the original kernel.

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Also, the webcam utility (WxWebcam ?) doesn't seem to work. Is that normal?

Yes wxCam can not estimate frame-rate correctly, so the movies are out of sync. The XO does not have the processing capacity required.
Motion detection and pictures should be fine though. Also for pictures you may want to change the size to 640x480 so they look nicer. In this size though the video is really slow.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb 2011, 07:40    Post subject:  

I compiled guvcview (http://guvcview.berlios.de/) which seems like a nice simple webcam app. I did very limited testing on the XO-1, seems to work ok. See the second post on the first page of this thread.

I should be able to test on the XO-1.5 tomorrow or the next day, Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb 2011, 13:13    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
I compiled guvcview (http://guvcview.berlios.de/) which seems like a nice simple webcam app.


Yes it is Very Happy
needs some changes in th configuration that is too ambitious for the XO Very Happy
I specifically changed in /root/.guvcviewrc
Code:
avi_max_len=19922944 #20MB (~2min) instead of the default 2GB
resolution='320x240' # to make file smaller and easier to process
fps='1/15' # 1/25 results in too many dropped frames and out of sync


Does it uses any of the wxCam libraries and dependencies? They are a hefty ~5MB. Particularly libwxgtk and libwxbase. Going with guvcview could get the sfs in the mid 80s Shocked

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb 2011, 14:33    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:

Yes wxCam can not estimate frame-rate correctly, so the movies are out of sync. The XO does not have the processing capacity required.
Motion detection and pictures should be fine though. Also for pictures you may want to change the size to 640x480 so they look nicer. In this size though the video is really slow.


Maybe I just don't know how to use it. All it shows me is a white box with a couple non-descript buttons. No pre-image. Is there a button I should hit? Will it start to show preview images automatically? How long should I expect to wait between bringing it up and seeing something happen?

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb 2011, 15:14    Post subject:  

Mark S. wrote:
Maybe I just don't know how to use it. All it shows me is a white box with a couple non-descript buttons. No pre-image. Is there a button I should hit? Will it start to show preview images automatically? How long should I expect to wait between bringing it up and seeing something happen?

Mark
the image in the window should come up immediately.
Does your camera work OK? How is it in Sugar?
Or you can do a hardware test from the OFW by pressing the left side of rocker key during startup
The XO camera tends to dislodge the connection ribbon, particularly if you are using the vertical USB port often enough. The camera sits on it!

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb 2011, 19:39    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:

Mark
the image in the window should come up immediately.
Does your camera work OK? How is it in Sugar?
Or you can do a hardware test from the OFW by pressing the left side of rocker key during startup
The XO camera tends to dislodge the connection ribbon, particularly if you are using the vertical USB port often enough. The camera sits on it!


Alas, you are probably right. The camera doesn't seem to work in sugar either. Is it very difficult to open the case and plug the connector back in?

On another note, I made a swap file and put on a card in the card slot. I made entries in FSTAB -- one to mount the card on /mnt/swap and the other to turn on the swap. These worked fine from the command line, but didn't turn on during boot. Then I took a chance and repartitioned the SD card and gave it a 256 Meg swap partition. PL recognized this on boot-up. Having the swap seems to have gotten rid of the out-of-memory errors.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb 2011, 05:44    Post subject:  

Mark S. wrote:

Alas, you are probably right. The camera doesn't seem to work in sugar either. Is it very difficult to open the case and plug the connector back in?

Thankfully the XO is designed for easy repair and there are visual guides for it. Here is for the XO-1 and this PDF is for the XO-1.5 which is very similar to the XO-1 with the exception of the microSD storage and removable WiFi module.
Unfortunately non of the pictures shows the camera and the infamous ribbon but is pretty evident. I have done this 5-6 times but unfortunately does not last for long when it gets down this road Sad . Avoid using the vertical USB slot if you fix it, so will last for a while.

Mark S. wrote:
On another note, I made a swap file and put on a card in the card slot. I made entries in FSTAB -- one to mount the card on /mnt/swap and the other to turn on the swap. These worked fine from the command line, but didn't turn on during boot.

How exactly your /etc/fstab entry looks like?
should be something like that
Code:
/path_to_file/filename none swap defaults 0 0

"/path_to_file/filename" should be where the swap file actually is. Not where you may mount it.
If you make the swap file with the "mkswap-file.sh" script you should not need to edit the fstab. Puppy should be able to find it automatically.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb 2011, 20:16    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:

Code:
/path_to_file/filename none swap defaults 0 0

"/path_to_file/filename" should be where the swap file actually is. Not where you may mount it.

Do you mean the /dev/... path? Or ??

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If you make the swap file with the "mkswap-file.sh" script you should not need to edit the fstab. Puppy should be able to find it automatically.


I did a "find", and I tried running that command from the command line, but could not find/activate the script. Are you sure it was in this latest puppy? What is the path to the script?

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb 2011, 21:16    Post subject:  

Mark S.

The mkswap-file.sh is at /usr/sbin/mkswap-file.sh. You can find easily the path of executables in the system $PATH variable by using the "which" command.
Eg:
Code:
#which mkswap-file.sh
/usr/sbin/mkswap-file.sh

As it is in $PATH all you should need to do is type mkswap-file.sh in Sakura console.

In the initial welcome screen there is an icon offering to make a swapfile. I use it all the time. What I might do is add that functionality to the freeramdaemon.. that's the one giving you those warnings. A button there should make it easier.

HTH

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