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rec. sound from comp. works in XP not in puppy [SOLVED]
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hanzf


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PostPosted: Sat 25 Sep 2010, 07:58    Post_subject:  

disciple wrote:
Yes, there is usually (always?) no slider for mix - you control the volume with the main "Capture" slider (or maybe the "Master" output slider, and "PCM" output slider or whatever). But you need to select "Mix" as the output device (in alsamixer you select it with the space key).

Thank you disciple, now it works, I can get the desktop sound with audacity!

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Sep 2010, 15:55    Post_subject:  

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Yes, there is usually (always?) no slider for mix - you control the volume with the main "Capture" slider (or maybe the "Master" output slider, and "PCM" output slider or whatever). But you need to select "Mix" as the output device (in alsamixer you select it with the space key).


One slight additional note -- took a half hour of hair pulling to figure out:

Hit the space bar for BOTH Mix and Capture

In my case Capture had volume all the way up and wasn't muted, and Mix had been selected (little red letters either side of it) but still nothing on the VU meters in MHWavedit's record mode.

After trying to select all of the possible inputs (which removed the selection from Mix), I accidentally selected Capture as well as Mix -- for some reason these are the only two that can be selected simultaneously. Bingo the meters jumped to life and I could record from streaming input from the browser.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Sep 2010, 19:57    Post_subject:  

Thanks Vt;

I hadn't even tried Mhwavedit on my 700m;
works great!

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Sep 2010, 18:00    Post_subject: sound
Sub_title: sound
 

Wow,

you all finally worked out how to get your laptop to record any sound it is making...into a file...(sounds coming from onboard media players or web pages)

what a nightmare to work out..

Do software designers think you are telepathic or something?

Does the Alsa mixer have a help page?.....and how easy is the help section about recording sound?

Does Alsa mixer have any visual cue on it's main window telling you to press TAB to get into recording windows?....if not?....WHY not? (bad design....)

Does alsa mixer tell you that to select certain inputs to become live you must press space bar?

Does Alsa mixer tell you that only when MIX and CAPTURE are both selected simultaneaously........ will it give you "recording"?

how on earth are you suppossed to know all this?....

this is infact WHY we need forums....i guesse.....

but to my mind it's bad software design.....if help pages are too complex and the interface lacks any visual cue's

the console approach looked a little tricky...

I feel Puppy should just come with the default ability to record the sound that the computer is making.

Puppy does not appear to come with this feature..... or readily advertize it......

such a common sense requirement that is missed in Puppy...


like so much in the computing world....common sense goes out of the window.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Sep 2010, 04:03    Post_subject: Re: sound
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vinceRABBIT wrote:
Do software designers think you are telepathic or something?
Does the Alsa mixer have a help page?.....and how easy is the help section about recording sound?
Does Alsa mixer have any visual cue on it's main window telling you to press TAB to get into recording windows?....if not?....WHY not? (bad design....)
Does alsa mixer tell you that to select certain inputs to become live you must press space bar?
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how on earth are you suppossed to know all this?....

Alsamixer is a console application, so the answer is probably "man alsamixer" or "RTM". Puppy doesn't include man, but you can't blame the alsa developers for that. Some people think because it is a console (well, ncurses) application alsamixer should be removed from the menu; they are probably right.

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Does Alsa mixer tell you that only when MIX and CAPTURE are both selected simultaneaously........ will it give you "recording"?

When you select MIX or CD or whatever you are selecting the record input, and when you select CAPTURE you are unmuting the recording. You're right, the way of selecting the capture source is bad UI design, but maybe it isn't possible to create a better UI with ncurses.

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I feel Puppy should just come with the default ability to record the sound that the computer is making.

Puppy does. These days he comes with retrovol, which is the mixer you should be using. Just select "mix" in the "Capture source" control, and make sure "Capture" control is checked (i.e. unmuted) and has the volume up. There shouldn't be a need for alsamixer at all.
I haven't seen any operating system that makes this any easier than Puppy...[/quote]

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