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Wary 0.7 mix-n-match feedback
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 09:41    Post subject:  Wary 0.7 mix-n-match feedback
Subject description: A new idea
 

I have announced Wary 0.7 on my blog:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01792

Please reports bugs. I welcome feedback on the mix-n-match concept, especially any ideas to improve it. If it looks good, I might add Quirky to the mix, so not only can you choose a kernel but also whether you want a Wary or a Quirky Puppy.

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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 10:14    Post subject:  

My initial reaction is that this is making life way too complicated. If a newcomer has an older machine that won't run the latest Puppy, they need an alternative that's based on an ISO. And there are lots of ready-made choices - Puppy 431, Ttuuxxx's Classic Pup 2.14X, and johnbiles' new offering.

The same holds for Quirky. There are many community members who like the basic 100 MB Puppy and are waiting patiently for Quirky 1.3 as an ISO.
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Flash
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Location: Arizona USA

PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 10:32    Post subject:  

I'm with rcrsn51. There's Puppy for enthusiasts who like to tinker and want to help with development, which I suppose is Quirky, or Wary, I'm not sure. Then there's Puppy for people who just want a simple, easy-to-use operating system that just works. Again, I'm not sure which Puppy that is. I thought it was 4.3.1, but has that changed to Lucid Puppy?

It seems to me that the profusion of Puppy-related websites and webpages, some of which are not maintained up to date, makes it confusing for a beginner to figure out which Puppy to use. Especially considering the breakneck speed of Puppy's evolution. I guess that's a problem common to anything developed by a collaborative effort of volunteers on the internet. Sad
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jrb


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Location: Smithers, BC, Canada

PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 10:48    Post subject:  

Barry,

I think this is a great idea. Yes its perhaps too complicated for newbies, but they have Lupu-5.xx which is incredibly easy to use.

This is a good intermediary step for users to become developers, not as complicated as "woofing" your own but requiring some understanding of the Linux system and the Puppy system in particular.

Also makes downloading way more efficient if you want to try all versions.

Cheers, J

BTW - How hard would it be to modify init to allow selection of Puppy system at boot? Then the same vmlinuz, initrd.gz and zdrv could be used with multiple versions of Puppy.
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 11:31    Post subject: Wary 0.7 mix-n-match feedback
Subject description: made cd did frugal install
 

I made the iso and burned it to a dvd then did a frugal install on a freshly formatted hard drive.
Computer
Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3300+
Memory 1555MB (118MB used)
Operating System Puppy Linux 0.07
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Fri 03 Sep 2010 10:54:14 AMEDT
Display
Resolution 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Unknown
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio AdapterCMI8738-MC6 - C-Media CMI8738

Operating System
Version
Kernel Linux 2.6.27.47 (i686)
Compiled #1 Sun Jun 6 11:09:12 GMT-8 2010
C Library GNU C Library version 2.10.1 (stable)
Default C Compiler GNU C Compiler version 4.3.4 (GCC)
Distribution Puppy Linux 0.07
Display
Resolution 1440x900 pixels
Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Version 1.4.2


I used xorgwizard on first boot and chose probe (still using it)
The computer has an ATI radeon x1600 pro agp grahics card that I installed.
I compiled lxterminal and it isn’t working properly, it doesn’t seem to erase old text which may show up on a new line, I used vte_0.24.3 which works in lupu but maybe not wary.
I’m going to do another wary 070 with a newer kernel and see how that goes Smile

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gjuhasz


Joined: 29 Sep 2008
Posts: 179

PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 11:38    Post subject: Great idea
Subject description: Still incompatible with VirtualBox and VMware
 

jrb wrote:
I think this is a great idea. Yes its perhaps too complicated for newbies, but they have Lupu-5.xx which is incredibly easy to use.
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Also makes downloading way more efficient if you want to try all versions.


Wow!

I downloaded all versions and begun testing with 2.6.27.47 while you were uploading the rest Wink

My findings (frugal install, ISO still not created):

1. All versions work, the files are OK.

2. Video is still incompatible with virtual environment. Neither VirtualBox nor VMware could be set for Xorg. Xvesa works with all versions, in both virtual environment.

3. Network (LAN) autoconnects except at 2.6.27.47.

I will check the above on my Toshiba Tecra 8000 this night.

Short notes:

Barry, I second jrb. The new concept is excellent. Either, I don't think that this version targets newbies. However, intermediate testers would better help you if they could use a common virtualized platform. VM support can be provided by sfs file(s).

rcrsn51, Flash, I am sure that a Wary Smile ety of ISO files will be created and commented soon by the community.
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DaveS


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Location: UK

PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 11:45    Post subject:  

Great idea. Makes it very easy to try different kernels as the only big download is the sfs.
Test.doc crashes Abiword. Dont you just love Abiword Smile

Code:
abiword: symbol lookup error :/usr/lib/libabiword-2.8.so: undefined symbol: _wvf
ree

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chrismt


Joined: 21 Apr 2010
Posts: 255

PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 12:41    Post subject:  

This idea is cool but I have seen this idea with another Linux distro called Slax

It was great if we also had a similar website that makes this easier

http://www.slax.org

I don't have a cd burner in this Puppy PC

I download and burn dvds in my Windows 7 PC

What should I do?
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James C


Joined: 26 Mar 2009
Posts: 5972
Location: Kentucky

PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 12:58    Post subject:  

chrismt wrote:

I don't have a cd burner in this Puppy PC

I download and burn dvds in my Windows 7 PC

What should I do?


You could download everything to your Puppy PC, build the iso,copy to a flash drive and move it to the Windows box and burn to disc.
Or, as it says in the readme, just download and do a manual frugal install.......that's what I just did.
HTH.
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James C


Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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Location: Kentucky

PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 13:12    Post subject:  

Interesting idea. Smile

I just downloaded the necessary files and did a manual frugal install of the 2.6.27.47 version on this old P3 test box.Seems to be working fine,posting from it now.
Also, on my main Linux box, downloaded everything and built the 2.6.30.5 and 2.6.34.1 versions into isos.Will give them a test later.
No problems here at all.
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Terryphi


Joined: 02 Jul 2008
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Location: West Wales, Britain.

PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 13:58    Post subject: kernel 2.6.34.1  

I upgraded my frugal install of Wary 060 to 070 kernel 2.6.34.1 on my desktop system with a wired connection and everything I have tested so far has worked OK. I have not tested wireless on my laptop yet.

One quibble: Flashplayer version included is out of date. I updated to latest version which is 10.1.82.76 .

One oddity I have noticed in recent versions of Wary is that fast scrolling in Opera 10.61 (and now 10.62) causes smearing of text. This does not happen when using Seamonkey or Firefox.
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Terryphi


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 14:02    Post subject:  

I certainly like the mix and match idea - and I would like to see Quirky added as an option.
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James C


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 17:09    Post subject:  

Burned 2.6.34.1 to disc and posting from it now, live pfix=ram.Doesn't appear to use a lot of resources, see screenshot.

Seems like the old P3(733 mhz w/256 mb ram) prefers the older 2.6.27.47 kernel while this newer box (Athlon XP 2.0 ghz w/1gb ram) likes the new kernel.
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sinc


Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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Location: Tampa, FL USA

PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 20:30    Post subject:  

I think its a fantastic idea. I just built an iso. Its still a bit of a manual process, if it were possible to add download links to your directions page that would be helpful. And if at some point all a person had to do was click each option and then it the package took care of itself would make it easier. GREAT thinking to try to allow people choices. Very Happy
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shinobar


Joined: 28 May 2009
Posts: 2631
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 20:45    Post subject: SFS version  

Hi, Barry,

Sorry i do not yet running the new Warry-007, but looking up the code in woof September 3, 2010.

Regarding the sfs version, the bootmanager has the code:
Code:
SFSSTR='squashfs, version 3' #v423
[ $KERNELSUBVER -gt 28 ] && SFSSTR='squashfs, version 4' #v423
[ $KERNELSUBVER -eq 27 ] && [ $SUB_SUB_KERNELVER -gt 46 ] && SFSSTR='squashfs, version 4' #100607

Is it right for the kernel 2.6.28? or should be '-gt 27'?
[ $KERNELSUBVER -gt 27 ] && SFSSTR='squashfs, version 4'
[ $KERNELSUBVER -eq 27 ] && [ $SUB_SUB_KERNELVER -gt 46 ] && SFSSTR='squashfs, version 4'

The concept of 'mix-n-match' is nice idea for the developers i think.
If there is a chance that you or someone provides older kernel, next code may be useful in rc.sysinit.
The Puppy-431JP(Japanese edition) has such a code before '###PERSONAL BOOT SCRIPT###' because the 3 kernel version of Puppy-431JP were build up with the similar concept of 'mix-n-match'.
Of course the main sfs file was converted for the older kernel which uses sfs version 3.
Code:
# correct mksquashfs/unsquashfs version
KERNELSUBVER=$KERNMAJ
#KERNELSUBVER=`echo -n "$KERNVER" | cut -f 3 -d '.' | cut -f 1 -d '-' | cut -f 1 -d '_'` #v423 100831
SUB_SUB_KERNELVER=`echo -n "$KERNVER" | cut -f 1 -d '-' | cut -f 4 -d '.'` #100607
SFSVER=3
[ $KERNELSUBVER -gt 27 ] &&  SFSVER=4
[ $KERNELSUBVER -eq 27 ] && [ $SUB_SUB_KERNELVER -gt 46 ] && SFSVER=4
for F in mksquashfs unsquashfs; do
  ln -sf /usr/sbin/$F$SFSVER /usr/sbin/$F
done

Hope to be something helpful.

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