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Legacy OS (TEENpup) Feedback is it booting?
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James C


Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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Location: Kentucky

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 13:46    Post subject:  

svgt wrote:
Hello James,

In your root directory I count 17 files and folders. But I have got only six things:

boot lost&found idehd initrd.gz pup_214.sfs zdrv_214.sfs. Why is there this difference?

Why did you make a /boot directory? In my full installation /boot was there from the beginning, with /grub folder inside. My menu.lst is for Legacy the same, except this atahd parameter.

Regards
Svgt


You have the files for a frugal install listed there.For a frugal install there is the "idehd" file, and initrd.gz ,pup_214.sfs, zdrv_214.sfs and vmlinuz...........a boot directory isn't needed.

A full install should look like my screenshot in the other post.
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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 13:52    Post subject:  

I've switched over and running a frugal install of Puppy 432 now, posting a screenie of the frugal install directory.
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svgt

Joined: 26 Mar 2008
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Location: Hamburg, Germany

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 16:13    Post subject: Success with my installation  

Hello James,

Thank you for help and the right hints. I did a frugal installation by mistake. I repeated the installation as full hdd installation. Now I have got a fair and beautiful LegacyOs at my machine. Not any intervention or change of menu.lst or folders.

There are two crucial points in the installation procedure. I have this idea for improvement:

When there is the question, where are the LegacyOs installation files, cd or directory, you get a surprising fatal message for the cd selection. Then you should mount it, and you should point at the correct files vmlinuz etc. This is not user friendly. And I stumbled upon it. In Puppy 431 and Lucid 51 this point is easier to manage.

The decision window for frugal or full installation doesn't help. The text is extremely confusing. The options 1 and 2 are listed in the reverse order. For newbies too difficult.
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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 17:09    Post subject: Re: Success with my installation  

svgt wrote:
Hello James,

Thank you for help and the right hints. I did a frugal installation by mistake. I repeated the installation as full hdd installation. Now I have got a fair and beautiful LegacyOs at my machine. Not any intervention or change of menu.lst or folders.

There are two crucial points in the installation procedure. I have this idea for improvement:

When there is the question, where are the LegacyOs installation files, cd or directory, you get a surprising fatal message for the cd selection. Then you should mount it, and you should point at the correct files vmlinuz etc. This is not user friendly. And I stumbled upon it. In Puppy 431 and Lucid 51 this point is easier to manage.

The decision window for frugal or full installation doesn't help. The text is extremely confusing. The options 1 and 2 are listed in the reverse order. For newbies too difficult.


Glad to hear of your success. Smile

I agree also, the installer needs some attention. The newer installers are much easier to understand and use.
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alfa and omega


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 19:32    Post subject: Legacy Boot!
Subject description: Legacy did not initialize!
 

Hello John!!

I downloaded the Legacy today and gave the boot on my computer and not run. I believe it's because my computer is very current. Family PC 485 80GB HD 1GB RAM and dual core processor 2.25 GH.
I use the mini TeenPup beta and runs normally.
Is there any way you can help me so that I can boot from the CDROM?
Thanks and congratulations!

God bless you!!

Alfa and omega from Brazil!
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jduffy22335

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Location: Great Mills, MD USA

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 21:13    Post subject: Re: Legacy OS (TEENpup) Feedback is it booting?
Subject description: Is it booting or not booting for you? let me know please.
 

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I have been unable to boot from the CD when it is SATA CDROM nor the expansion boards such as the Promise ATA133. It show that searching SDXX, but no joy.

All that have Actual IDE CDROM seem to boot correctly.

Overall nice look and feel !
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svgt

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 06:01    Post subject: Adblock in Opera ?  

I want to use a blocker like Adblock in Opera. How can I manage that?
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Sage

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 06:18    Post subject:  

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=59565&sid=c638e82e93cf50556f3238952c78e399
Well said, johnbiles!

But nothing will stop the over-endowed, quad-core terahertz kiddies from writing in! LegacyOS == Legacy box. It's reading and comprehension lessons that are required, and maybe MrOED instead of MrWebster!
Lots of things didn't work as intended or at all with lots of distros, even a few years back - sometimes fiddling was required, not necessarily with the SW.

Having verified that there are absolutely no problems running your magnum opus as a live CD on any of my AMD machines, ATI & nV, this morning I set about doing some FULL installations. Apart from one Fujitsu HD which, although fully functional, defeats many Linux installs, I have to report that there really are no problems installing with truly bog standard kit. There is no need to mount/unmount, place files in specific directories, edit GRUB or anything else - it all works just as 2.14 did. So, forget MPs, forget massive memory resources, use a recycled Quantum/Seagate HD of 10Gb or less for LegacyOS, keep your data on separate media and bingo - everything works. And, yes, the FULL install is much faster and requires less resources than the liveCD.

Those folks who find themselves with too much dosh in their pockets might consider sending some to their favourite charities instead of fueling the DWintel spiralling cartel?
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dealora

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 09:56    Post subject:    

I do not detect sound blaster 16 with alsaconf nor-wifi usb tp-link setup with network wn321g
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nancy reagan

Joined: 22 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 13:53    Post subject: Value the user guide  

Just downloaded not yet installed because of computer problems.

What struck me the user guide, wished was provided more often.

Looking forward to the install. Thanks.
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Roy

Joined: 31 Dec 2008
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 13:58    Post subject:  

John,

Thank you for yet another version / update of your work. To be perfectly honest, after using TEENpup2009 for a time (different computer), the mere fact that your name is on this is good enough for me!

However, I do have a small issue when taking Legacy out for a spin (LiveCD mode) on my desktop... the network wizard freezes @ 25 ~ 30% through when scanning for a wireless connection and a hard shutdown is the only way to get my mouse or menus to function again. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace resets X, but without a mouse pointer. At other times, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace dumps me to a black screen. Guess that was the wrong course of action on this machine.

Legacy shows my wireless driver as RT61 (unknown description). Wary 060 shows the module as rt61pci (pci RaLink RT2561/RT61 PCI). Wary connects; Legacy and Ttuuxxx's 214X-RC5 do not connect, although Ttuuxxx's versions do not freeze while running the (old style) Network wizard. Pwireless (2.14-based builds) does not show any of the wireless access points present.

Is it possible that I just don't have the correct wireless driver? I do realize that these aren't your target machine specs, but they are:

AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3500+
nVidia Corporation C51G [GeForce 6100]
(and an old 15-inch CRT for a monitor)
Conexant Systems, Inc. HSF 56k Data/Fax Modem
RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
2985MB RAM
250GB IDE HD

I have not attempted a frugal install yet, as I have no wired connectivity within sight. But nancyreagan (above) just made an excellent point -- your user guide is a fantastic touch! I'm telling you -- your name really carries a lot of weight with me when I see it on your work.

-Roy
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sneekylinux

Joined: 20 Mar 2009
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Location: dorset,uk

PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 16:49    Post subject:  

Just my 10 pence worth here,had no problem booting from CD,although had to use vesa on 2 machines,as peeps have said,the installer is round the wrong way,and when trying to do network more than once it don't like it,and will not work,but i did not try more tools.
apart from that no problems for me.
And the video is up on youtube if anyone wants to have a peek,but beware it is over 10 mins long..
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rsherrod

Joined: 09 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 19:47    Post subject: Legacy OS (TEENpup)
Subject description: boot-up
 

I can't boot your new release. The message is "ERROR, cannot find
Puppy on 'idecd' boot media."

I had no problems with your previous versions.

Ladislav


I have downloaded the iso three times and burn it to five disks and used a 633, 933 and atom setups. I got the same the same message with each. All have run TEENpup mini with no problems.
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john biles


Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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Location: Australia

PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 20:17    Post subject:  

Hello Roy,
Look under "my documents/help-info" I've included some Wireless Pets etc from the Puppy forum and the forum posts on using them. May be of help.

Hello sneekylinux,
Thank you for taking the time to do a video review of Legacy OS.
I've included a link on my "Legacy OS Website Page" so anyone coming from Distrowatch will see it straight away. Thank you for going through the menu and showing the large amount of Applications included. Excellent!

Hello rsherrod,
TEENpup 2010 mini beta is based on Puppy 4.2.1 release in 2009 which Legacy OS is based on Puppy 2.14 released 2007. A lot in relation to Wifi, Graphic Cards, Duo Core, the release of the EeePC and more has change big time between the original Puppy 2.14 release and later Puppy 4.2.1 release. Today Puppy 5.0.1 takes that a step further. Puppy 5.0.1 works perfectly on my fathers HP Netbook. He has start up issues with Ubuntu 10.04 remix so no Distro sadly will fill everyones needs. TEENpup 2010 mini beta on his HP Netbook has a number of issues also.
So what I'm trying to say is that while they are both basically TEENpup releases, they are further apart in fulfilling different hardware requirements than first thought. A plain old Windows 98 / Me PC has more chance of working with Legacy OS than a 3 Ghz Pentium 4 with 2 Gb's of Ram, a mega Graphics Card that Ubuntu 10.04 would find heaven.

Just remember having success with "TEENpup 2010 mini beta" on your hardware is no guaranty at all that "Legacy OS" will be the same.

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Legacy OS 2.1 LTS Released! Install me on a new! EXT2 Partition with 500Mb of swap and I'll be happy. Razz
Legacy OS 4 Released! Install to newer legacy hardware / early EeePC's Very Happy
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wuwei


Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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Location: de

PostPosted: Mon 06 Sep 2010, 10:17    Post subject:
Subject description: still no boot
 

Sorry John,

I am still unable to boot LegacyOS.

Switched to an 8 year old AMD single core PC, 2.4 GHz, 512 MB RAM, dedicated partition for Legacy only. Manual frugal install to / and alternatively to /boot with vmlinuz and initrd.gz.

Tried the grub stanza as per my previous post of Sept 3rd in this thread, as well as Nooby's posted here on Sept 4th. None is working.

It might help if you could provide a tried and proven menu.lst entry for a frugal install of Legacy to a dedicated partition.

I did try out your magnificent OS from CD. It boots and it is very promising. Too bad I can't get it to boot frugally Crying or Very sad

Thanks
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