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James C

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Posted: Wed 10 Nov 2010, 23:33 Post subject:
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Luci-236 with the latest Trinity..................
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peebee

Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 901 Location: Malvern, Worcs, UK
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Posted: Thu 11 Nov 2010, 06:03 Post subject:
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Many thanks to Iguleder for giving us further updates to test and admire....
I've loaded the new SFSs onto a frugal install of luci236 as thats the main route that people will see its availability I think.
I first tried it with a pristine (new) lucisave and then I reused the lucisave that I'd been using with the previous version ("downgrading" it to jwm and removing the old SFS load before doing the transfer)
The main usability problems I have (none show stoppers but maybe need health warnings of some sort for Lucid Puppy users) are:
1. no usb detection onto the desktop - pmount can be used
2. now solved
3. reboot and poweroff not automatic from menu - have to type shock horror at prompt or use PupShutdown Manager pet
4. now solved
5. menus are a mishmash of Lucid and Trinity entries with most Lucid items in the humungous "Lost & Found" menu.
6. Konqueror file manager does not have actions for Puppy file types - RoxFiler is occasionally needed.
Would love to help to make some of these better but not clever or knowledgeable enough to know where to start.....for instance if I started to tidy up the menu structure how would I export my results so that they could be used by others? Or if I were to tailor PupShutdown how would I create a new Trinity specific PET?
Cheers
Peter
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Béèm

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 11782 Location: Brussels IBM Thinkpad R40, 256MB, 20GB, WiFi ipw2100. Frugal Lin'N'Win
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Posted: Thu 11 Nov 2010, 08:52 Post subject:
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| peebee wrote: | Many thanks to Iguleder for giving us further updates to test and admire....
I've loaded the new SFSs onto a frugal install of luci236 as thats the main route that people will see its availability I think.
I first tried it with a pristine (new) lucisave and then I reused the lucisave that I'd been using with the previous version ("downgrading" it to jwm and removing the old SFS load before doing the transfer)
The main usability problems I have (none show stoppers but maybe need health warnings of some sort for Lucid Puppy users) are:
1. no usb detection onto the desktop - pmount can be used | Same with squeeze 009
| peebee wrote: | | 2. -23 hour clock display after a reboot | In squeeze I get the correct time.
| peebee wrote: | | 3. reboot and poweroff not automatic from menu - have to type shock horror at prompt or use PupShutdown Manager pet | Same in squeeze 009 and this issue has been raised in this thread already.
| peebee wrote: | | 4. no sound volume control in the tray - no system use graphic like in jwm | In squeeze 009 on first boots I got the KDE volume, not anymore. But normally retrovol should have come to life. Not anymore. I just found out that's because Kmix isn't run at boot probably. I executed Kmix and have the KDE vol now.
| peebee wrote: | | 5. menus are a mishmash of Lucid and Trinity entries with most Lucid items in the humungous "Lost & Found" menu. | Same in squeeze 009 and has also been addressed here. The reason seems to be the category entries not being the same for JWM and KDE. I move those entries with Kmenu setup the proper place, eventually by creating new categories, but my question how to 'export' this menu setup remains unandwered.
| peebee wrote: | | 6. Konqueror file manager does not have actions for Puppy file types - RoxFiler is occasionally needed. | Normal, it's a different file manager. The same will happen if a different file manager in JWM is used. Konqueror has to be 'teached' how to handle file types.
| peebee wrote: | Would love to help to make some of these better but not clever or knowledgeable enough to know where to start.....for instance if I started to tidy up the menu structure how would I export my results so that they could be used by others? Or if I were to tailor PupShutdown how would I create a new Trinity specific PET?
Cheers
Peter | Cheers.
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Iguleder

Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1613 Location: Israel, somewhere in the beautiful desert
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Posted: Thu 11 Nov 2010, 12:58 Post subject:
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This Trinity experiment is so funny ... lulz
I want to try another approach - make a mutated Pdebthing version just for Trinity and use the Trinity repo of Debian Squeeeze with the Ubuntu Lucid repo - Trinity itself from the Trinity repo and all dependencies from Ubuntu Lucid. There's a good chance this won't work ... but I still think it's a good idea.
I also intend to start working on the actual trinitypup experiment - a "kdpup" built with Woof. The previous plan was to bake a barebones "dpup", then stir it with the Trinity SFSs, but the recipe turned out to be non-booting
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Béèm

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 11782 Location: Brussels IBM Thinkpad R40, 256MB, 20GB, WiFi ipw2100. Frugal Lin'N'Win
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Posted: Thu 11 Nov 2010, 13:11 Post subject:
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In the first KDE (base) when hovering with the mouse over a running application in the system tray, I got the complete name in a 'balloon'.
With this latest Trinity not any more.
I checked settings of the system tray, but didn't find where I have to tick an option.
Anyone knows?
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Béèm

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Posted: Thu 11 Nov 2010, 13:19 Post subject:
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With this new Trinity-core, amarok still don't run on my PS apart from a 2 second splash screen.
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Béèm

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Posted: Thu 11 Nov 2010, 14:29 Post subject:
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| Béèm wrote: | In the first KDE (base) when hovering with the mouse over a running application in the system tray, I got the complete name in a 'balloon'.
With this latest Trinity not any more.
I checked settings of the system tray, but didn't find where I have to tick an option.
Anyone knows? | I just discovered it, but there is some inverse logic in play here.
In Configure KDE - panel - appearance I had to untick 'Enable icon mouse_over effect.'
Not very logical.
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James C

Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4737 Location: Kentucky
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Posted: Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:57 Post subject:
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| Béèm wrote: | | With this new Trinity-core, amarok still don't run on my PS apart from a 2 second splash screen. |
For what its worth, Amarok works fine on both Luci-236 and Zen-006....both frugal installs with the two new Trinity sfs files,
Related to earlier posts, here on Zen/Trinity 006 I do have usb detection.
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peebee

Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Posts: 901 Location: Malvern, Worcs, UK
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Posted: Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:10 Post subject:
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A way to get the sound control in the tray is:
Run kmix - this creates a tray item and opens a window
Close the kmix window
Save the session
In the Session Manager - choose start with saved session
Cheers
Peter
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Béèm

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 11782 Location: Brussels IBM Thinkpad R40, 256MB, 20GB, WiFi ipw2100. Frugal Lin'N'Win
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Posted: Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:09 Post subject:
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| James C wrote: | | Béèm wrote: | | With this new Trinity-core, amarok still don't run on my PS apart from a 2 second splash screen. |
For what its worth, Amarok works fine on both Luci-236 and Zen-006....both frugal installs with the two new Trinity sfs files,
Related to earlier posts, here on Zen/Trinity 006 I do have usb detection. | I didn't specify, but it was with Trinity on squeeze 009.
No amarok, no USB devices.
I just installed on 236 now.
Amarok is running and after editing fstab, I have the USB devices, but they can't be mounted.
Message: HAL is needed.
And indeed I don't see in the running processes HAL is running and I don't see a hald bin/script.
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maxpro4u

Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 290 Location: Rittman,Ohio,USA, In dog years,I'm dead
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Posted: Fri 12 Nov 2010, 01:24 Post subject:
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is there a weather widget for kde?
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Béèm

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 11782 Location: Brussels IBM Thinkpad R40, 256MB, 20GB, WiFi ipw2100. Frugal Lin'N'Win
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Posted: Fri 12 Nov 2010, 18:09 Post subject:
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I have worked now with trinity-core and the apps.
In squeeze 009 as well as in lucid 236.
In squeeze I have slowness and functions of wine programs that don't work any more. A new save file had to be made.
In lucid 236 I had the applications, like SeaMonkey on the screen but not in a window. So I didn't have the close button and I had to cole by menu|file|quit.
In ROX there is no menu, so I had to kill the application.
I had to make two times a new save file already for lucid.
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darkduck
Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Posts: 42
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Posted: Fri 12 Nov 2010, 18:37 Post subject:
KDE Trinity not starting. |
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Hi,
on my Puppy 5.1.1 frugal i removed 2 previous packages and replaced them with new *trinity*.sfs ones.
Now during boot I can only get to command line, no one window manager starts. When I type startx, I get to JWM. But from there I can only shutdown/reboot. No other option in Shutdown menu section works!
What is wrong?
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Béèm

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 11782 Location: Brussels IBM Thinkpad R40, 256MB, 20GB, WiFi ipw2100. Frugal Lin'N'Win
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Posted: Fri 12 Nov 2010, 18:51 Post subject:
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You have to type xwin startkde
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darkduck
Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Posts: 42
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Posted: Fri 12 Nov 2010, 19:12 Post subject:
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| Béèm wrote: | | You have to type xwin startkde |
Nope, that did not help. Moreover, after that xwin did not work as "standalone" either. Only xwin jwm launched JWM. But no KDE stilll.
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