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edoc · Posted: Wed 25 Aug 2010, 15:24 Post subject:

I had a lot of problems with ext2 so I upgraded to ext3.

What does your GRUB menu.lst look like?

This is what I am using. My hope is that between ext3 and "pfix=fsck" the filesystem will retain its integrity.

8-bit · Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 3012 Location: Oregon

Ok, someone explain this to me.
When I boot from the grub menu and select Lupu 5.1, an ext2 file system check is done on both the partition containing grub, and my Puppy frugally installed lupusave file.
Then if I reboot and select Lighthouse Pup, no check is done.
But then if I immediately reboot to Lupu 5.1 no file system check is done.
But then if I reboot from Lupu5.1 back to Lupu 5.1 a flie system check is done.
So that is telling me that Lupu 5.1 is not cleanly unmounting the partition my Puppy frugal installs are on.

In other words, Lighthouse Pup is rebooting or shutting down cleanly.
Lupu 5.1 is not!

I am still open to suggestions as to a remedy.
And again, I have to ask if anyone else is seeing this type of behavior.

edoc · Posted: Wed 25 Aug 2010, 22:55 Post subject: Subject description: X Crashing?

X crashed a little earlier this evening, bringing me to the prompt.

My options were "xwin", "xorgwizard", "reboot", or "shutdown".

I tried xwin several times and wach time it tried for a while then back to the prompt - it seemed unable to find the file it needed.

I tried xorgwizard, same failure.

I was stuck with reboot.

I did have several Seamonkey windows open at the time, plus E-mail, plus OpenOffice -- but that is my usual operating condition -- this is the second time in a week that this has happened. I took the first case as an anomaly, now I am wondering ...

Note: The environmental conditions are unchanged; hardware, ambient temp and humidity, etc.

ragaman · Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 186

LUPU was one of the best pups released in terms of ease in use. However, everything went downhill once I installed the NVIDIA driver (173 for FX5500 Video Card). The screen flickered, window decoration became red and I lost the taskbar. No option for refresh rate was available in the screen resolution changer utility.

Using VESA, I uninstalled the NVIDIA driver then restarted. The desktop remained unchanged (flickering, window decoration red, no taskbar). Somehow, I couldn't roll back to the desktop I had before the NVIDIA driver was installed.

Solution was simple: Wipe the drive clean and install TEENpup.

8-bit · Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 3012 Location: Oregon

I have had that same thing happen before to me as to X crashing.
I reinstalled the video driver for my video card in order to recover.
But that is not something one should have to do.

I know, that thanks to Patriot, we now seem to have a clean shutdown on our pupsave files.
But I wonder if that same shutdown script is handling the unmounting of the partition that puppy is installed to as to making sure that one is clean.

In my case, I boot to an Easy BCD boot menu on my PATA drive. I then select Puppy on it which then boots grub on a PATA (ide) secondary drive.
It is booting grub from an ext2 partition on the second drive.
Then the grub menu comes up and I select the flavor of Puppy I want to boot at that time.
I should mention that I do NOT have "pfix=fsck" on the kernel line of any of the Puppy versions in menu.lst.
I currently am booting back and forth between the hard drive installs and CD to check the ext2 partition.
I have never had any errors on the check other than one that said, and I quote, "file system not cleanly unmounted, check forced".
Then the e2fsck is done and no other errors are found.
I am to the point of trying out a mix with renaming the Lucid 5.1 initrd.gz and copying the one from lighthouse into the Lucid 5.1 directory and seeing if that makes a difference.
I DO NOT KNOW IF IT WILL WORK!!!
But for Lupu 5.1 to do a file system check of the partition and the lupusave file on starting when I do not have it specified is not good.

rcrsn51 · Posted: Thu 26 Aug 2010, 01:38 Post subject:

8-bit · Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 3012 Location: Oregon

rcrsn51,
Short and sweet, no.
I am not ruling out my hardware setup as to the problem.
I am just trying to figure out why Lighthouse Pup and Puppy 431 SCSI as well as Puppy 431 and Puppy 421 do not exibit this behavior.
Also, since grub is located on the partition that gets checkedduring startup and drivers are loaded to access the drives, and a search is done for the puppy files on said partition, I assume that partition is mounted at that point.
So why is an e2fsck being done on it during startup of Lupu 5.1?
I thought there were warnings of doing a file system check on a mounted partition?

If I have offended anyone with my comments on this, I am sorry.
I just am trying to figure this out is all.

mavrothal · Joined: 24 Aug 2009 Posts: 1058

pupluser · Joined: 14 Aug 2010 Posts: 26

hi when i toggle fullscreen no matter if its a movie thats on the hd using gnome mplayer or a web page my puppy exit`s xserver or xwin what ever its called and goes to the command line

it does not occur when i play some games or watch fullscreen in youtube or open boxsee that go automaticly to fill screen

please help

thanks

rcrsn51 · Posted: Thu 26 Aug 2010, 08:53 Post subject:

tasmod · Posted: Thu 26 Aug 2010, 09:03 Post subject:

8 bit,

Just a thought. When you first installed did you copy the iso to disk, mount it and copy across the sfs etc, changed menu.lst then rebooted.

I did this once but forgot to then unmount the iso from disk. It left a flag which caused fschk each boot. I then copied across the iso again, mounted and umounted it, shutdown and then rebooted. All was well afterwards.

just wondered if that's what you may have done?

Jasper · Joined: 25 Apr 2010 Posts: 870 Location: England

Hi rcrsn51,

I am less fortunate than your good self because I do not have a deep understanding of how my computer works.

However, I installed Lucid Puppy on an ext 3 partition because when I first set up my frugal hard drive installation I recollect the first-save-note said a file system check would [never] be required if using ext 3.

That was installing lupu 5.0.0, but it may well be the same with luci 219 when the first save option arises.

My regards

rcrsn51 · Posted: Thu 26 Aug 2010, 10:51 Post subject:

@8bit: Tasmod may be on to something. Is the corruption located in the filesystem as a whole or just inside your savefile? This would be easy to determine by temporarily renaming your current savefile and starting a new one.

bigpup · Posted: Thu 26 Aug 2010, 11:23 Post subject:

8-bit · Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 3012 Location: Oregon

rcrsn51 and tasmod,
I may have found the problem. It has nothing to do with a possible hard drive failing.
I checked dmesg using rxvt, and found this: