What is SeaMonkey and why is it in Puppy

[Newcrest]

When I click on a video link that can be streamed in Firefox, it just loads into a Firefox tab, and the video runs.

That's because you chose to set it up that way. For instance, the file type SWF is commonly associated with being opened by Shockwave Flash. If that association is there and the Flash plugin is installed then it will play in the browser. If you delete the association or change it to a media player (like gxineshell) then it will not.

The same is true for Firefox. Check your preferences for File Type association and make sure the appropriate plugin is installed.

Seamonkey and Firefox can usually share the same plugins but they have to be in a folder accessible to both or you can symlink them to the correct folder.
I put mine in

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/root/.mozilla/plugins

The seamonkey plugins are likely to be in

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/usr/lib/seamonkey-x.xx/plugins

where x.xx is your version of Seamonkey.

Similarly, Opera plugins are in

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/usr/lib/opera/plugins

These types of issues are generally not browser specific and don't really belong in this thread.

[DaveS]

These types of issues are generally not browser specific and don't really belong in this thread.

Apologies... unless one (me) mistakenly thinks it IS a browser specific issue
Thanks for the help.

[Newcrest]

Even though most common Mozilla addons will work in both Firefox and Seamonkey, some will not (often simply because the creator of the addon simply didn't bother).

Here is a selection of some less common addons that can also be used:
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html

Similarly addons not specifically designated for a particular version of a browser can often be used after opening the addon in an archiving application like XArchiver and editing the file to change the version number from say Firefox 2.0.0.3 to Firefox 2.0.0.16. This is not for everyone but sometimes a developer of an addon disappears and you would still like to use that addon when you upgrade browser versions.

[nooby]

Nothing happens when I click on that older Noscript version either.

I also did download it and open it in the SM browser and nothing happens.

I think you underestimate how difficult it is for somebody being a relentless newbie.

Everything is easy for the one who already knows how to do things.

you came here and criticised Seamonkey unjustly when it was your own fault.

It is only unjustly from your point of view.

Firefox works for the level of noobness me is on while SM does not.

That is very objective and just take on it.

I don't criticise SM at all. I tell what happens when I try to use it.

[Newcrest]

Nothing happens when I click on that older Noscript version either.

It is only unjustly from your point of view.

Firefox works for the level of noobness me is on while SM does not.

That is very objective and just take on it.

The procedure for installing compatible addons is the same for both, so one cannot not work while the other does, if you have the same settings.

To install directly from the addon sites you normally need your pop-up blocker to be disabled for that site.

Note that if you download a file with a Mozilla based browser on to a storage device formatted with FAT file system then a superfluous secondary extension will be added to the file name and it will not be recognised properly unless you rename it. Whether you are using FAT and it contributes to your problem I don't know. The same does not happen with NTFS or Ext file systems.

I suggest you start a different thread and say which Puppy version you are using and did it come with Seamonkey 1 or did you install it because your issue appears to be unique to you and has nothing to do with the similarities between Seamonkey and Firefox.

[nooby]

Wow indeed.

Firefox has no such issues at all. Just works.

That is why SM is not a good thing. But sure I leave your thread plugging SM.


This is my last post here okay

[Newcrest]

Wow indeed.

Firefox has no such issues at all. Just works.

That is why SM is not a good thing.

Maybe it's a language thing but you just don't seem to want to accept that Seamonkey and Firefox are the same in this issue. My suggestion of you starting another thread is that so you can better solve why your particular setup is not working for you.

I find it very strange that you seem happy to complain but unwilling to resolve the root of your problem (which is not Seamonkey). As far as I know at least two of the versions of Puppy that you have listed as using don't come with Seamonkey 1 and instead have Seamonkey 2. How did you come to have Seamonkey 1? If you installed it yourself but are using a profile from another version then that could explain why yours is broken and yes, Firefox can be broken just the same.

[nooby]

Why on earth do you ask me questions when I promised to not disturb your plugging of SM.

I most likely have Quirky 1.0 I thought me had 1.2 but must have been too hasty when I installed three distros on an old Laptop to come away from Acer not booting each time.

On the PB it does boot each time. But the SM that is on Q 1.0 is the older version. Barry had that one available and I don't trust me know enough to change such things.

LupuQ has many choices. Puppee have Chrome as I remember.

I prefer to use things that works. That is the answer you have to accept from me.

[Newcrest]

Why on earth do you ask me questions when I promised to not disturb your plugging of SM.

That's because I am not plugging anything (and I resent your implication) but you are making false criticisms of Seamonkey. The truth is important to me.

I prefer to use things that works. That is the answer you have to accept from me.

I have no problems with what you choose to use but your reasoning is flawed. Your problem was not caused by you using Seamonkey and it was not fixed by you using Firefox. They are the same with regard to this issue. The Seamonkey browser is related to Firefox. It is not a completely different browser like Chrome or Safari.

If you don't want to actually fix your issue that's your choice too but don't try and pretend that Seamonkey is flawed on something that it shares with Firefox.

What's more, "The Internet browser at the core of the SeaMonkey suite uses the same rendering engine and application platform as its sibling Mozilla Firefox" .

If you are having a problem with your news website then you should look at your settings first and then complain to the website designers. Noscript should not be a requirement in the first place.

[DaveS]

Just a small info point re add-ons. Instead of just clicking the 'add to seamonkey (firefox)' etc link, right click the link and select 'save link target as'. You will be given a default name such as 864578latest.xpi
Rename it as something you understand such as addblock.xpi, and save it to your hard drive. To install, just drag and drop the file into an open seamonkey window. Bingo. This way, you can build a collection of add-ons for future installs.

[Newcrest]

This way, you can build a collection of add-ons for future installs.

That's good idea and great for keeping a record of which version of an addon that you liked working with.

[stu90]

I don't dislike SeaMonkey i do however find it slow in compared to other web browsers, firefox is the same. Opera is my go to browser of choice, nice feature set plus fast, i also like chrome as well.

[Billwho?]

@Nooby
I have been having similar problems to you recently. I was unable to download or install add ons for Seamonkey. But found last night that my own paranoia was partly to blame.

What I had to do to get things to work was :
Click on "Edit>Preferences"
Then expand the "Advanced" group and click on "Software installation"
Finally make sure that "Allow websites to install extensions and updates" is ticked (checked).
Then click OK to close the preferences window.

After this I am now able to download and install any add ons I wish.

Hope this helps you too.

[gcmartin]

One of the best WYSIWYG web page composers available.....Especially for Newbies, Startups, and QuickFixes. It is awfully easy to plagarize when needed, too.

See heer: Sites that have SeaMonkey composer content
http://www.neiu.edu/~scs/Documentation/ ... ebpage.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcaYsG2nYqU

[sickgut]

Hi

Im voicing my opinion that seamonkey is really good and its the best browser for puppy.
Version 2 seems every bit as good as the other browsers but just easier to install java on, just one symlink is all ive ever needed to get java working.

before lupu seamonkey was already intergrated into puppy as the default browser but even with lupus quickpet feature i still reccomend to people to install seamonkey.

also seamonkey is more traditional in puppy distros and it makes me feel good.
puppy isnt puppy without seamonkey its a burning dog.

monkeys swimming in saline fluid just seem more peacefull than burning kainines or a fat lady screeching or shining silver metal (seamonkey vs firefox, opera and chrome)

if i had my way all puppys would have seamonkeys in them

you can flame me on irc if you dont agree
sickgut

[GustavoYz]

I'm surprised to read that SeaMonkey crash...
I use No Script add-on on the SeaMonkey2.0.6 (Quickpet) on LuPu501, and sometimes the page don't download complete, but this is a desired behavior (actually that is the main reason to use this add-on).
No Script, running under the mentioned conditions, never make SeaMonkey crash on this PC ...
Repeat, I'm surprised...

[L18L]

thank you, gcmartin, for this thread.
There is always something to learn (not only for newbees)

Rename it as something you understand such as addblock.xpi, and save it to your hard drive. To install, just drag and drop the file into an open seamonkey window. Bingo. This way, you can build a collection of add-ons for future installs.

thank you, DaveS

[gcmartin]

I very much appreciate the post here to use the download feature for SeaMonkey add-ons.

Reason: I run/support LANs that have multiple machines on it. Using this approach, I have made a "central" library that I download the SeaMonkey add-ons into. Now, I just send notices out to everyone to drag and drop from the central library to their SeaMonkeys. Cuts down on the WAN traffic when that add-ons are local on the LAN.

Even though this can be useful for any product that uses add-ons, it is useful, here, for SM.

Again, thanks fot this suggestion!
P.S. Here's a list of someone else's Must-Have Add-on favorites

[gcmartin]

Current versions of SeaMonkey can be found here...

[DaveS]

Seamonkey 2.1 Alpha 3
I have been using Seamonkey 2.1 alpha 3 for a week or so now. No crashes, no bugs. In fact, it seems faster, renders better, and now can use Personas like Firefox. Bookmarks can also be shared with Firefox.
I have been using it in Lucid 5.1.1. If you want to give it a try, proceed as follows:
Download the .tar.bz2 file from here http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.1a3
Click on the file, and xarchive will load. Use this to extract the program, just follow the onscreen prompts. It will extract into a folder called seamonkey.
What you do next will depend on which browser you have downloaded previously in Lucid. A safe option is to move the seamonkey directory in to /root/ When you have done that, open the directory and click on the seamonkey file. Seamonkey 2.1 alpha should load just fine.
Naturally, that is NOT what I did. I had Seamonkey 2.0.5 installed as my default browser. It was installed in /usr/lib/seamonkey2
I just went in like a nutcase, deleted all the files in /usr/lib/seamonkey2, and put all the files from the seamonkey alfa directory in there instead. It all worked just fine, including the menu entry
If you want to try that but want to be more cautious, rename /usr/lib/seamonkey2 to seamonkeyold or somesuch, create a NEW /usr/lib/seamonkey2, and drop the alpha files in there. That way, you can always reverse the process.

Check out personas here:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/personas/