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Puppy 4 Forever (Puppy 4.x snapshot, 3 kernels)
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PostPosted: Fri 28 May 2010, 14:27    Post subject:  Puppy 4 Forever (Puppy 4.x snapshot, 3 kernels)
Subject description: 26/6 fresh Woof build with 2.6.30.5, .25.16 and .21.7
 

Here's another 4.x snapshot, which as all the new funky stuff from Woof. It's same as Puppy 4.3.1, but has many bug fixes and cool new stuff, like a new pmusic, the local time/UTC selection thing and a new network wizard.

The version number is 4.3.2, because I had no choice ... 4.3.1 is 4.3.1 and all other numbers just don't make any sense Wink

Comes in 3 flavors:
- One with kernel 2.6.30.5 (as in 4.3.x)
- Retro, 2.6.25.16 (as in 4.1.x and 4.2.x)
- Retro-retro, 2.6.21.7 (as in 3.x and 4.1.x, great for old hardware)

They come with all kernel modules, so you get the maximal hardware support possible with each Puppy kernel. Basically, the 2.6.21.7 should have 4.x/4.1.x's compatibility, the 2.6.25.16 flavor should have 4.2.x's compatibility and the 2.6.30.5 should have 4.3.x's compatibility.

All look exactly like Puppy 4.3.1 (icons, GTK theme, JWM theme) and include some fixes I added (no shadow for desktop icon labels, SFS converter icon) to Woof.

Xvesa works, everything works as in 4.3.1. And yes, you2pup works too. Some stuff are slightly updated from their versions in 4.3.1, as I said. You won't notice any big difference. No surprises or new stuff.

Oh, forgot two things - it comes without the Flashblock and user agent switching addons for Seamonkey, they're gone from the Puppy repo for some reason. Also, it includes Flash 10 instead of 4.3.1's 9, so things should work well.

Bottom line: stable, compatible and good as Puppy 4.3.1. Smile

Downloads here:
http://brainwavedesigncentral.net/dima/puppy4forever/

You'll find the ISOs and the devx in SFS4. You can easily convert it to SFS3 if you need. Smile

If you wonder where the name comes from, it's because I'm sure 4.x will be nostalgic as Mario ... and you know, four-four ... Smile

Wishlist for next snapshot:
- Clean unmount on shutdown
- The optional saves thing
- Fixed version of the remaster tool
- Fix for the ROX focus bug
- New JWM
- More MIME-types
- Default applications wizard
- Ummm ... some control panel, anyone?
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PostPosted: Fri 28 May 2010, 14:41    Post subject:  

retro-retro is a very good idea, you are a wise man

if anyone will convert sfs4 to sfs3, I recommend to use, for conversion, sfs v 3.0 version, downloadable here:

http://filebox.me/view/b1wp96p1a

replacing mksquashfs3 in /usr/sbin/ (in Puppy 4.3.xx) since conversion script uses mksquashfs3 to convert sfs4 to sfs3

mksquashfs3 provided in puppy, makes sfs v 3.1, that is not good

according my

*sfs compatibility chart*
- http://dokupuppylinux.co.cc/sfs_modules:sfs_compatibility_chart

sfs v 3.0 is universally retro-compatible with Puppy 3.01-4.2.xx series, (while v 3.1 cannot be read by Puppy 3.01) and Puppy 4.3.xx with retro kernel

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PostPosted: Fri 28 May 2010, 14:48    Post subject:  

Puppy 3.x users won't need this devx anyway, so SFS 3.1 is just fine. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 00:58    Post subject:  

I seem to get the flashy screen bug with this one.............
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 02:16    Post subject:  

And the Rox focus bug, which is way more serious...................
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 02:19    Post subject:  

But the offset filechooser bug is fixed, which makes it all worthwhile Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 02:59    Post subject:  

@ DaveS- flashy screen bug? Please describe. (I get a problem with dpup and Lupu where the screen tears into horizontal strips when I scroll Firefox or Seamonkey too fast using the mouse and scrollbar. Is that it?)

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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 06:47    Post subject:  

As I said, it's almost same as 4.3.1 ... all the 4.3.1 bugs are still there, mostly. The only difference is some Puppy in-house stuff updated and improvements to the Puppy scripts, like the init scripts, the save thing, the first boot wizard and so on.
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 12:07    Post subject:  

gerry wrote:
@ DaveS- flashy screen bug? Please describe. (I get a problem with dpup and Lupu where the screen tears into horizontal strips when I scroll Firefox or Seamonkey too fast using the mouse and scrollbar. Is that it?)

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No Gerry......... in this bug, the whole screen flashes as if turned off and on again very quickly.
The Rox focus bug is serious. With this, suppose you right click on a file and select 'rename'. Proceed with the renaming as normal, no problem. If you then select another file with right click and select 'delete', the file you just re-named will be deleted unless you click on the background of the rox window to de-select it first. This is potentially catastrophic.
Neither of these bugs exist in 4.3.
I have experienced the bug you describe when using Midori, but never found a cure. Two steps forward, one back? Smile Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 18:28    Post subject:  

In my case, I am using Puppy 4.3.1 scsi that was a test version by Barry that did not make it to prime time.
I have did a bunch of bug fixes on it and also updates.
I still have the original ISO file for it, but with all the Puppy versions out there, I can not see any sense in throwing yet another Puppy 431 version into the wild.
Am I being selfish?
Maybe...
With the modifications and updates I have made, I would probably have to do a remaster to get it all included in an ISO.
And the only remaster I have ever done back on Puppy 3.01 that ended up as a 300+ megabyte ISO!
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 18:55    Post subject:  

8-bit wrote:

With the modifications and updates I have made, I would probably have to do a remaster to get it all included in an ISO


Of course you could offer to share them with someone who has produced an updated version of 431. Let them decide if they want them. Another approach might be to make sfs files available....then everyone can roll their own version.

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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 18:57    Post subject:  

DaveS wrote:

No Gerry......... in this bug, the whole screen flashes as if turned off and on again very quickly.
The Rox focus bug is serious. With this, suppose you right click on a file and select 'rename'. Proceed with the renaming as normal, no problem. If you then select another file with right click and select 'delete', the file you just re-named will be deleted unless you click on the background of the rox window to de-select it first. This is potentially catastrophic.
Neither of these bugs exist in 4.3.


Don't have either problem running xvesa on a bootable USB drive.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 May 2010, 01:10    Post subject:  

tlchost wrote:
DaveS wrote:

No Gerry......... in this bug, the whole screen flashes as if turned off and on again very quickly.
The Rox focus bug is serious. With this, suppose you right click on a file and select 'rename'. Proceed with the renaming as normal, no problem. If you then select another file with right click and select 'delete', the file you just re-named will be deleted unless you click on the background of the rox window to de-select it first. This is potentially catastrophic.
Neither of these bugs exist in 4.3.


Don't have either problem running xvesa on a bootable USB drive.

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I have read about these two bugs on the forum and it seems to be an xorg/gtk thing.

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PostPosted: Sun 30 May 2010, 04:53    Post subject:  

gerry wrote:
@ DaveS- flashy screen bug? Please describe. (I get a problem with dpup and Lupu where the screen tears into horizontal strips when I scroll Firefox or Seamonkey too fast using the mouse and scrollbar. Is that it?)

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OK Gerry, I have been able to reproduce the scroll bug like you describe here. I have two versions of Lupu installed, one is fine, the other behaves as you describe. Its bloody awful, like I only have 56k of video ram or something. All I have to do is figure out what I did between these installs, but I am putting my money on the wrong video driver Smile

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gerry wrote:
@ DaveS- flashy screen bug? Please describe. (I get a problem with dpup and Lupu where the screen tears into horizontal strips when I scroll Firefox or Seamonkey too fast using the mouse and scrollbar. Is that it?)

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Yup....... fixed. Wrong video driver Smile. Guess you have the same problem gerry

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