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tazoc


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 20:21    Post_subject: kernel modesetting, NVIDIA, Intel graphics  

@all,
Thank you very much for the feedback and suggestions. I'll keep them all in mind.

I've found a problem with the NVIDIA 195 'L2' proprietary display driver on Lighthouse Update and will replace it today with a fixed version 'L3'. L2 doesn't install GLX properly and as a result 3D apps like 3D-Demo won't work.

I also found that the i9-rad-nouv-modeset-L5G.pet posted earlier won't work with NVIDIA proprietary drivers, (nouveau KMS module can't be removed without rebooting) so I will remove that modeset pet shortly.

If you've installed either of these NVIDIA/nouveau pets, please uninstall them with PPM. If you get extremely small text when exiting X, either boot with puppy video=640x480 as ICPUG noted, or remove these files in /etc/modprobe.d/
Code:
i915.conf
nouveau.conf
radeon.conf
and reboot to disable KMS.

Feedback from ICPUG indicates that the i915-modeset-L5G.pet is OK, at least on his machine, so I will include it in a new ISO with only a few bug fixes, probably this will be called 5.00Gu2. I don't want to use a new kernel right now because then all the proprietary drivers and VirtualBox pets would have to be recompiled and repackaged.
abushcrafter wrote:
LHP suffers from this bug:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=478312#478312
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=478319#478319
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=478390#478390
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=478470#478470

LHP does not have the same problems of the 3 cursors because it uses a different one.
I don't have an Intel graphics card, maybe someone who does might have an idea. I imagine getting a blank screen instead of a CL when exiting X would be very frustrating. It sounds like KMS is not working on that machine. Wary uses an earlier kernel/Xorg so maybe stick with it.
-TazOC

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Dec 2010, 21:33    Post_subject:  

One of the things that Lighthouse would benefit from is a Control Panel. In fact all puppies should have it. It has often been requested and I have never seen an argument why it should not be there, yet it has not been implemented very often in the mainstream pups.

A Control Panel was in Puppy 4.2.1, I think, and I think I read that Fluppy had it.

I suddenly realised this omission when I was footling around the menus trying to find flsynclient to make my touchpad scroll. Does LHP have flsynclient? I found a script with that name but not an executable.
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Dec 2010, 00:15    Post_subject:  

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Here is a pet with just the i915.conf we can test. I don't have access to an Intel machine, so if you do, please try this pet on a frugal install, then reboot w/o i915.modeset=1 on your kernel line; then with the pet and xforcevesa nomodeset on the kernel line.

Sorry Taz, I've been away.
Performed the test as requested and saw no difference each boot.
1. Added in the pet to my regular 5G session. Rebooted without i915.modeset=1 on the kernel line, and the session loaded as usual.
2. Rebooted again with xforcevesa nomodeset on the kernel line and the same effect - session booted normally.
I was using xfce each time.
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Dec 2010, 20:01    Post_subject: solve jagged Murga docs  

This info refers to luci 246 and Lighthouse5G which use the dillo browser.

I found that downloaded pages from the Murga Form were
displaying jaggedly, so I looked for a solution on the dillo
thread and I found it from forum member upnorth!!
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=168973533&t=52534&start=30
(end of page)

I read on the dillo thread that putting the code line
Code:
* {font-family: sans-serif !important}



into the style.css file solves the jagged font problem.
So I made a file /root/.dillo/style.css
(it may exist already). Here is the final result.
Code:
code, tt, pre, samp, kbd {font-family: monospace !important}
body {font-family: sans-serif !important}
* {font-family: sans-serif !important}
body {background-color: #DAD3D0}



This did the trick. Now dillo displays downloaded Murga Forum
html pages smoothly!!
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Dec 2010, 20:25    Post_subject: Audacity install  

I was surprised to find that a Lucid Puppy version
of Audacity 1.3.12 will work fine in Lighthouse 5G

You can download it here:
AUDACITY DOWNLOAD


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pmusic allows a list of your tracks to be saved as an .m3u file

So it makes sense that files with the .m3u extension
have the right click option 'Add to Pmusic Playlist'

Note:

Code:
pmusic -a "$@"

will play a song as well as put tracks on the end of a playlist.


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PostPosted: Tue 21 Dec 2010, 21:22    Post_subject: speed improvements  

For maximum speed here are some suggestions:

First start by inserting the following 3 lines in appropriate
section of the hidden file /root/.jwmrc-tray

Code:
      <TrayButton popup="ROX-Filer" icon="ROX-Filer.xpm">exec:/usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/ROX-Filer</TrayButton>
      <TrayButton popup="mhwaveedit" icon="mhwaveedit.xpm">exec:mhwaveedit</TrayButton>
      <TrayButton popup="LXTerminal" icon="mini-term.xpm">exec:lxterminal</TrayButton>

Now open the folder /root/Startup and put 3 files in 'DisabledItems' folder
0_show_widgets
lxpanel
wstart

To see the results restart X . You will see new icons in the bottom tray
and no more eye candy.
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For a simpler home folder turn off the showing of hidden files.

Right click in some empty space in a Rox window
Display > Show Hidden
must be turned off

To make the setting persist...
Right click in some empty space in a Rox window
Display > Save Current Display settings
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To avoid creating Thumbnail pictures by Rox:

Right click in some empty space in a Rox window

Display > Show Thumbnails
make sure that this is turned off for max speed

Edit: To make this setting for thumbnails for all folders...
Right click in some empty space in a Rox window
Display > Save Current Display settings
Make sure that 'thumbnails' is chosen
(a bit confusing!!)

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Other Rox Filer tricks that I find useful...

Double click in some empty space in window to make the window
bigger to fit all icons.

Middle button click of folder icon will open the folder in a new window.
The old window remains.

A middle button click of the home icon at the top of the Rox window
will open it and leave the current undisturbed. Neat! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 21 Dec 2010, 21:58    Post_subject:  

ICPUG wrote:
One of the things that Lighthouse would benefit from is a Control Panel. In fact all puppies should have it. It has often been requested and I have never seen an argument why it should not be there, yet it has not been implemented very often in the mainstream pups.

A Control Panel was in Puppy 4.2.1, I think, and I think I read that Fluppy had it.

I suddenly realised this omission when I was footling around the menus trying to find flsynclient to make my touchpad scroll. Does LHP have flsynclient? I found a script with that name but not an executable.
There was one in 4.40CE, but isn't developed anymore.
And yes Jemimah did a good job in fluppy with the control panel.
And not known as special, toutou 4.3.1 FAT, the French version of puppy has a nice approach also.
Playdayz seems to be deaf for such requests.

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Dec 2010, 05:38    Post_subject:  

this is interesting the new version of lighthouse is 500-g yet the base os is 501.sfs. i think it should be called lhp-501 now right. it is confusing now as to withc pps run on 501

also urgently need the latest version of pidgin sfs for lighthpuse. pidgin 2.7.7 has a built in msn fix older versions still have problems with it. even when i try to add the new certificate in teh /.purple fiolder as instructed. i still sometimes get teh error in pidgin.
also other sfs files could be updated to later ones. some people dont want to make teh save fill big so pets are not as user friendly.

the version of skype found herehttp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/quirky/sfs/skype-forum.html works would like an update for lighthouse. as in teh latest one. fcompiled from .slackware repos or whatever you use. I hope there is more than one developer in the team.
from the look of teh post it seems to be that way.

I really do prefer e-sword. adn would like it to be outside save file.. as its so big with all the usual addons i use. as i understand things e-sword and wine apps. cant be moved outside save file, if i am wrong please corect me. bible time sfs works on lighthouse.
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Dec 2010, 10:40    Post_subject:  

its-me-again wrote:
I really do prefer e-sword. adn would like it to be outside save file.. as its so big with all the usual addons i use. as i understand things e-sword and wine apps. cant be moved outside save file, if i am wrong please corect me. bible time sfs works on lighthouse.
You are wrong. Just move both .wine and .wine-esword to /mnt/home from /root/ and do a relative link back from .wine and .wine-esword to /root/.
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Dec 2010, 12:31    Post_subject: Conky  

How do you disable conky starting up? My laptop I am running on does not have video hardware acceleration (Trident) and is causing high CPU usage and screen flickering. I can get around it by killing conky after everything starts up.
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Dec 2010, 19:28    Post_subject: Re: Conky  

novellahub wrote:
How do you disable conky starting up? My laptop I am running on does not have video hardware acceleration (Trident) and is causing high CPU usage and screen flickering. I can get around it by killing conky after everything starts up.
Pwidgets uses conky for most of its widgets. If you want to keep some widgets, but not others (ex, Analog Clock) click on the Pwidgets icon, select the widgets you don't want and click the '-' remove button, then apply. To remove the CPU and Mem graphs, uncheck 'Apply cluster info' and then Apply.

If you just want to disable Pwidgets altogether, click File | Stop/Start Pwidgets, or like don570 suggested, open /Startup and move 0_show_widgets into /Startup/DisabledItems. Same with ConkyDelayed, although by default in LHP it is already there.

If you don't need the Wbar launcher bar, also move /Startup/wstart into /Startup/DisableItems.
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Dec 2010, 19:59    Post_subject:  

ICPUG wrote:
One of the things that Lighthouse would benefit from is a Control Panel. In fact all puppies should have it. It has often been requested and I have never seen an argument why it should not be there, yet it has not been implemented very often in the mainstream pups.
An all-inclusive control panel for Lighthouse should detect the current window manager/desktop and display only items that apply to that wm. Since there are 4-6 wms, depending on your setup, that would be a difficult app to write. Actually KDE and Xfce each has its own control panel, so really there are 4 wms to cover. JWM, IceWM, LXDE and Openbox. IceWM has the new IceWM Configuration by 01Micko and JWM has JWM Configuration, both in the Desktop/Settings Menu.

The closest thing Lighthouse has to a system-wide control panel is 2 apps, the Setup icon on the desktop, and Lighthouse Look'n'Feel in the Wbar launcher. If anyone wants to write a Lighthouse Control Panel, just check the file ${HOME}/Choices/windowmanager for detection of the current desktop environment, where ${HOME} is the current user's home, either /root or /home/<username>.

Lighthouse doesn't include flsynclient, maybe there is one on the forum?
-TazOC

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Dec 2010, 20:40    Post_subject: Window Manager  

Since for some, there is a need for a Control Panel, KDE does have something I think is akin to a Control Panel. There are also several Distros who also provide a reasonable Control Panel. These distro use KDE and GNOME although I think I might have spotted one distro using the window manager Enlightenment for its "control panel".

When I hear Control Panel, I think of Microsoft's implementation (OS2 also), where system configurations are done. In the modern world of Linux, YAST seems to come closest to matching Microsoft although they use a different approach to provide the same thing.

The next closest thing to a full Linux Control Panel is the http Control Panel called Webmin (which I swear by...BTW). But, until Puppy reaches critical mass, the authors may be reluctant to create a Puppy incarnation.

Puppies tend to be "stripped-down" distros and thus don't have the inclination because of Puppy ISO size issues to offer a "customized across the board control panel" that would run in all X-Windows Window Managers. If there was one, I'm sure every incarnation of Linux would use it same as they do with TOP. (lot of work to achieve all the differing peripheral configurations as well as all the differing system services. Big development effort starting from scratch but it might be manageable.)

Best offer for a "Control Panel like" application folder, from my 'personal' point of view, is a team to "extend" Webmin to Puppy.

Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Dec 2010, 04:51    Post_subject:  

Jim1911 wrote:
You are wrong. Just move both .wine and .wine-esword to /mnt/home from /root/ and do a relative link back from .wine and .wine-esword to /root/.
well i was unnder the impression that it cant be done from the coments taz said it cant be done. but i will try, no halm in testing. also i use it in another os os i may be able to have a shared directory ourside all os adn access it from them. worth a try. save space.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Dec 2010, 09:37    Post_subject: Re: Conky  

tazoc wrote:
novellahub wrote:
How do you disable conky starting up? My laptop I am running on does not have video hardware acceleration (Trident) and is causing high CPU usage and screen flickering. I can get around it by killing conky after everything starts up.
Pwidgets uses conky for most of its widgets. If you want to keep some widgets, but not others (ex, Analog Clock) click on the Pwidgets icon, select the widgets you don't want and click the '-' remove button, then apply. To remove the CPU and Mem graphs, uncheck 'Apply cluster info' and then Apply.

If you just want to disable Pwidgets altogether, click File | Stop/Start Pwidgets, or like don570 suggested, open /Startup and move 0_show_widgets into /Startup/DisabledItems. Same with ConkyDelayed, although by default in LHP it is already there.

If you don't need the Wbar launcher bar, also move /Startup/wstart into /Startup/DisableItems.
-TazOC


Thank you TazOC. That did it.

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