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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun 2010, 23:40    Post subject:  

Hi CLAM01,
Maybe the Xorg Xkb settings aren't taking because the Xorg Autosetup (xorgwizard option 1) doesn't generate a full xorg.conf, just enough to keep the xwin script happy. So either run xorgwizard, option 2 then probe or choose 'intel', or maybe copy your xorg.conf over from your Puppy 4.3.1 setup.

If that doesn't help please run the Video Reporting Tool in the System Menu and attach /tmp/root/report-video-full.gz to a post. You can attach any small file by renaming it with a .zip extension with a note as such, or by running gzip <filename>.
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Edit: Does the CPU Freq Scaling Tool cool your CPU?

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 05:30    Post subject:  

tazoc wrote:
Hi Béèm,
Hi tazoc
tazoc wrote:

The cpu frequency scaling tool is in the Utility Menu. In IceWM you have to scroll up with your mouse pointer as it may not show all the entries (move the cursor all the way up.) If it's not there, choose Menu | Window Manager | Refresh Menus. Still isn't there? Open /applications in ROX and click on cpu_freq.desktop.
I hadn't noticed the menu was so big and that it was scrollable. A little arrow at the top and bottom of the menu would help.
I activated Cpu Freq Scaling by copying one from another puppy, but now I know I can change the values from the menu as well.
BTW after CFS was activated, I had the cpu freq value in the system tray also.
So that is sorted as well.
tazoc wrote:
To fix the drive icon size info, choose Menu | Desktop Settings | Desktop Drive Icons manager and tick 'Re-align existing icons'. Then restart X.
That didn't help
tazoc wrote:
If that doesn't help, delete the files keymap, codepage and fontmap, all in /etc. Delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Then in /etc/profile change LANG=be to LANG=en_US. Then reboot and press Enter when prompted for country/region/language. Xorgwizard will run again. Back at the desktop, repeat the step in the previous paragraph to re-draw the icons and restart X. Then reset your keyboard and locale to 'be' with Menu | Setup | Mouse/Keyb wizard | Choose Keyboard Layout and FR_be with Menu | Desktop | Chooselocale.
When I came at the point that Xorgwizard should I only got the selection panel for the keyboard. I then got to the Desktop and continued the advice with the selection of be as keyboard and be also in the layout.
As reported before I had done this already and indeed in linux I got the accented characters. But the showstopper which remains is that in Wine I don't have the accented characters like é§èçà. When pushing one of those, the cursor doesn't advance even. In all other puppies, I can select be-latin1 and all is ok even in wine. Hopefully you find why this is so and a solution for the next Lighthouse 5.00
tazoc wrote:
Sometimes the CPU graph in IceWM doesn't show the CPU Freq so use Menu | Desktop Settings | Conky and it will show the CPU Freq in the middle of the second line. I will continue working on the next release which hopefully will avoid all these workarounds for be_latin1.
After setting the CPU freq scaling I have the CPU freq in the system tray as stated above already.
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-TazOC
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 19:35    Post subject: save file issues  

When I installed Lighthouse, I had to choose a 128MB save file.
Now the system tray says it's 124MB. Where could the 4MB be?
I use LH now some week, but didn't install packages.
I only added 3 sfs files, OOo, Pidgin 2.6.1, and virtual box.
When I looked this afternoon, the free space was already down to 12MB.
I left the PC running and when I came back, another 4MB was gone.
Leaving me with 8MB.

I tried to look where all those MB's could have been gone to, but didn't find it.
Someone has an idea?

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 23:25    Post subject:  

Hi Bernard,
I'm working on a context menu for freememapplet_tray for that very reason. The pupsave can fill up very quickly! I usually start with a 256M pupsave and end up enlarging it to around 448M. If you chose a .3fs format, there is some overhead for the journal and file system so not all of the pupsave is available. You can close all your apps and restart X. That will clear away some temporary files.

The quickest way to see where the space went in a frugal install is to open GdMap Graphical Disk Usage in the Utility or File System menu and then open /initrd/pup_rw. Then just hover your mouse pointer over the biggest items and read the file names and sizes.

Xorgwizard in LHP installs some Mesa GL libraries that use about 3.6M. Wine gobbles up ~40M the first time it's used and browsers like SeaMonkey have security features that use a lot of space just by having the browser open a while. Rebooting will clear the cache and most of those temporary files. Otherwise just add free space with Resize personal storage file in the System Menu.

See also /usr/share/doc/freememapplet.htm. I'm updating that page as well.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 00:55    Post subject:  

Hi TazOC,
I've been looking in logs and /etc/X11/xorg.conf files in both Lighthouse and puppy 431, hoping to find why kbd language settings persist in P but not LHP. The settings are there in xorg.conf in both and the Xorg logs of both list all the same being loaded in the same places. I did find that the two extra files in /tmp are for the Xorg keyboard settings gui. By short-cutting, going from llooknfeel just to the keyboard-layouts-variants gui and clicking "yes, activate" and exiting, the settings activate and the two files don't appear. The few clicks are easy to do, so the settings not persisting through X-restarts is not a problem, just a quirk, one of those little glitches that has to be some detail, a set not setting or being reset by something following.
The cpu fan not being started by acpi is common to both P431 and lighthouse. I checked for frequency scaling. It is on and seems to be working. Acpi recognizes eight throttling settings for the cpu cores and a cooling fan for each, and their state, on or off. When I restart it recognizes the cooling fan on. Frequency scaling offers two sets, 1.2 and 2. ghz. It advances frequency to 2. when the cpu loads seriously. Opera trying to add some kind of auto-update feature went loopy and tested this, loading the cpu cores to 100% on both at 2. ghz. Cpu temp went from 35C to 58C, but steadied there [I really like having the monitoring aplet in the tray--it's much better than the keyboard getting hot detection method]. airflow didn't feel faster, but 58C is well below the bios failsafe threshold, 84C, when it kicks the fan on full.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 10:55    Post subject:  

tazoc wrote:
Hi Bernard,
I'm working on a context menu for freememapplet_tray for that very reason. The pupsave can fill up very quickly! I usually start with a 256M pupsave and end up enlarging it to around 448M. If you chose a .3fs format, there is some overhead for the journal and file system so not all of the pupsave is available. You can close all your apps and restart X. That will clear away some temporary files.
That's what I found out also. I must say, I have the same issue with other puppies like quirky, lucid etc... and still have not found a good method to find out where the space is lost after ever so many boots.
tazoc wrote:
The quickest way to see where the space went in a frugal install is to open GdMap Graphical Disk Usage in the Utility or File System menu and then open /initrd/pup_rw. Then just hover your mouse pointer over the biggest items and read the file names and sizes.
Yes I know about that method, but was never successful to pinpoint to the issue. It is not necessarily one big file causing the issue, but maybe also a multitude of smaller files.
I tried to find the issue of loosing space through pfind with a date restriction, but I couldn't come to a good conclusion either.
tazoc wrote:
Xorgwizard in LHP installs some Mesa GL libraries that use about 3.6M. Wine gobbles up ~40M the first time it's used and browsers like SeaMonkey have security features that use a lot of space just by having the browser open a while. Rebooting will clear the cache and most of those temporary files. Otherwise just add free space with Resize personal storage file in the System Menu.
So the GL lib, Wine first run, overhead for 3fs could count for 48MB from the defined 128MB, but the process of decreasing available space goes on and on and even when not using the PC.

I know I can increase the save space, but I am afraid to do so too often until I have a huge one.

I already did put the .mozilla out of the save file in order not to be plagued by those SeaMonkey features that eat up space.
In fact I install all programs outside the save file or I use sfs versions.

tazoc wrote:
See also /usr/share/doc/freememapplet.htm. I'm updating that page as well.
TazOC
OK I'll look there also.
Bernard

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jun 2010, 12:23    Post subject:  

Embarassed Embarassed My fault Embarassed Embarassed

Forgot size issues with LHP.

I finally got a straightforward boot and shutdown, which offered a save option.
But it wouldn't create a save file Question

Finally I realised my partition was nearly full after I had d/loaded everything.

I removed other items and I could then create a save file.

I'm posting from Firefox in 5 now with xfce . As nice as kde, impressed.

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Jun 2010, 07:59    Post subject:  

Tasmod

How did you get your Intel graphics working?
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PostPosted: Wed 09 Jun 2010, 23:25    Post subject:  

Hi Béèm,
I think I've got be-latin1 working right for the next release, at least in Linux. I edited several files; rc.country, input-wizard, .xinitrc, xorgwizard, /lib/keymaps, etc. Some keyboard layouts can now be changed without restarting X. I think pl (Poland) and maybe other layouts are working better also.

Wine still isn't right though. Alt keys don't register with be-latin1. I'll keep working on it. I noticed that the drive icon sizes register 0 in the latest Quirky when starting with be-latin1, so apparently that's not unique to Lighthouse.

It seems some of the layouts need the Alt key to produce many non-US characters. Is that because my keyboard is US or is that true for native keyboards as well?

йцукенгшщзхъфывапролджэячсмитьбю Weird, the ru layout doesn't seem to need the Alt key. Confused Of course, I have no idea if it's working or not--sure looks Russian though. ضصثقفغعخههخحجدشسيبلاتنمكطئءؤرﻻىةوزظ Arabic works w/o the Alt key, too. Hmm, it went right to left! Shocked First time I've experienced that. It feels kinda strange.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jun 2010, 03:10    Post subject:  

ICPUG,

Sorry I didn't. I'm running vesa.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jun 2010, 17:54    Post subject:  

tazoc wrote:
Hi Béèm,
I think I've got be-latin1 working right for the next release, at least in Linux. I edited several files; rc.country, input-wizard, .xinitrc, xorgwizard, /lib/keymaps, etc. Some keyboard layouts can now be changed without restarting X. I think pl (Poland) and maybe other layouts are working better also.
OK, that'll be nice.
tazoc wrote:

Wine still isn't right though. Alt keys don't register with be-latin1. I'll keep working on it.
Hope you'll find a solution.
tazoc wrote:
I noticed that the drive icon sizes register 0 in the latest Quirky when starting with be-latin1, so apparently that's not unique to Lighthouse.
I am sorry. I forgot to mention this. It is the same for Lucid. I raised this many times but neither Barry nor Playdayz gave a solution. But thanks to your explication and circumvention, the size is mentioned now.

tazoc wrote:
It seems some of the layouts need the Alt key to produce many non-US characters. Is that because my keyboard is US or is that true for native keyboards as well?
My Belgian keyboard has keys like ^ and ", which are called dead-keys as another key has to be pressed right after to get f.e. ö ô ë ê etc.. Besides this the right ALT key is called AltGr and when pushed together with another key gives a special character as well. example @ is obtained by pushing that AltGr key and the 2-é key together.

tazoc wrote:
йцукенгшщзхъфывапролджэячсмитьбю Weird, the ru layout doesn't seem to need the Alt key. Confused Of course, I have no idea if it's working or not--sure looks Russian though. ضصثقفغعخههخحجدشسيبلاتنمكطئءؤرﻻىةوزظ Arabic works w/o the Alt key, too. Hmm, it went right to left! Shocked First time I've experienced that. It feels kinda strange.

-TazOC
Yes Arabic is surprising. Wink
Bernard

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jun 2010, 15:18    Post subject: Lighthouse Pup 5.00 B Released
Subject description: Mariner, Xfce, VirtualBox and Chrome SFS add-ons updated
 

Lighthouse Pup 5.00 B (Build 485) Base ISO released

* Several bugfixes and updates

* New Wine e-Sword 9.6.0 Bible Study downloader and installer, based on a script by david_kt and adapted for Lighthouse.

Lighthouse Mariner ISO 5.00 B - release notes

* Includes Mariner, Xfce, OpenOffice, Opera and VirtualBox SFS add-ons.

* Minor updates to Xfce 4.6.1d and Mariner 5B_485

* VirtualBox updated to 3.2.4

Google-Chrome-stable_5.0 SFS - Fast browser with themes and add-ons
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jun 2010, 15:50    Post subject: Re: Lighthouse Pup 5.00 B Released
Subject description: Mariner, Xfce, VirtualBox and Chrome SFS add-ons updated
 

tazoc wrote:
Lighthouse Mariner ISO 5.00 B - release notes

* Includes Mariner, Xfce, OpenOffice, Opera and VirtualBox SFS add-ons.

* Minor updates to Xfce 4.6.1d and Mariner 5B_485

* VirtualBox updated to 3.2.4

Google-Chrome-stable_5.0 SFS - Fast browser with themes and add-ons
-TazOC


Sorry to report, that the xdelta link for Mariner is the same as the base (7 meg).
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jun 2010, 16:14    Post subject:  

Hi tazoc

You've been busy. Downloading now. Where is this feature?

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* New Wine e-Sword 9.6.0 Bible Study downloader and installer, based on a script by david_kt and adapted for Lighthouse.


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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jun 2010, 16:22    Post subject:  

jduffy22335 wrote:
Sorry to report, that the xdelta link for Mariner is the same as the base (7 meg).
You're right, thank you for catching that. Should be fixed now.

I'd like to note that the LiveCD has some new kernel parameters xforcevesa nomodeset that should also be added to an existing GRUB or USB Flash install. I updated the release notes with the details and my new GRUB entry.
Jim1911 wrote:
Hi tazoc

You've been busy. Downloading now. Where is this feature?
It's in the Personal or Education Menu | Wine e-Sword Installer, also there's a link in /root/.wine/drive_c/ and the new scripts and files are in /usr/local/Wine-e-sword/.
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