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PostPosted: Sun 12 Sep 2010, 20:48    Post subject: Re: slack-e17.sfs, SFS-TCZ_Linker-1.5.pet  

tazoc wrote:
its-me-again wrote:
Hi i found this and thought you might like to test it out on lighthouse. i would live to here if it can still us compiz effects etc.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=448494#448494
Hi and thanks for the links and suggestions. e17 (Enlightenment) has its own compositing system and a very good one, so I don't think C-F would be compatible or desirable as e17's effects alone are stunning. When I tried elive full distro a while back I found it difficult to configure, and downloads were not free. I have not had a chance to try e17 with Puppy or Lighthouse though.


Macpup opera 2 uses enlightnment its a 431 baised os try it out and see what you think.
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PostPosted: Mon 13 Sep 2010, 20:00    Post subject: LightHouse Mariner LiveDVD/LiveCD and SFSs
Subject description: How to setup for SFS processing
 

Theres a PM to @tazoc from the SFS Utility author.
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2010, 10:22    Post subject:  

dropped in to say that it is super this time. running kde 4.4 and some how figured out by the help here to boot using the intel driver.

Thanks and keep up the good work.

can i get some sfs modules somewhere?

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2010, 14:25    Post subject: LH Mariner 5D and how SFSs can be handled on LiveDVD  

A helper wrote:
If you need to use the SFS files straight away w/o rebooting at all (no session saved) I don't have a satisfactory solution. The Lighthouse add-ons are designed and tested only with BootManager and rebooting from a frugal install. The reason is that this is the only way to properly layer the SFS files, each one below the pupsave and main file in a specific order of priority. In LiveCD/DVD mode there are only two layers, the pup_rw (read-write) and the main file/DVD (read-only). ... -
On the topic in the above qnote, please help me understand what's wrong with this logic. I know the Mariner ISO places its SFSs in the root of the LIveDVD. I also know that Puppy BootManager Utility expects to find its SFSs in /mnt/home on the running system. Let say I:
  1. Open you Mariner ISO
  2. Leave the base system SFS, BUT move all other SFSs into /mnt/home folder
  3. Burn this "new" ISO as a Multi-Session.
  4. Boot this "new" ISO
  5. Run BootManager and select the SFSs I want
  6. When complete, Reboot the system allowing the system to '"save" the session
3 questions that come to mind are:
  • When the system reboots shouldn't I see it load the save session before copying the main?
  • Isn't this relatively the same as what Frugal does?
  • What am I missing?


A helper further wrote:
If you ...
Another option is to use a standard frugal install, saving your session and adding all the desired add-ons with BootManager and rebooting. Then use Remaster Puppy LiveCD in the System Menu... -
Do you know if there is some way to copy Frugal to a LiveDVD so that it supports LH with the "installed" SFSs?
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2010, 21:17    Post subject: SFS files on boot CD  

gcmartin,

What you describe doing to get sfs files in a live cd session sounds near to what I do: What I do is install LHP Mariner, set up features the way I want them, then add sfs files to /mnt/home, then add those sfs files I want to my system using >setup>wizardwizard>configure startup. I add Mariner and KDE there first, reboot and set them up, then add more, because I have had problems adding all at once. Then I remaster a DVD, not CD, because my remaster comes to about a gigabyte. The sfs files I use regularly, like opera, open office, along with additional pets I add, are incorporated in the remaster dvd. The dvd can be run as a live session (I have a swap file and enough ram so the dvd loads all into ram) with or without a pup-save file.

If you want to run like this for security you want to close your dvd when you make it (if it is rewriteable) and turn off lhp's mount all partitions feature (>filesystem on wbar >/mnt >automount.desktop, then uncheck the automount box), to not show anyone who looks in everything in your system. Then make your own directories on a disk partition, or a usb-stick partition and remember to mount that and save to it whatever you want to save from your live/ram session before you shut down. You can also frugal install from the dvd, with or without a pup-save. Without a pup-save you can make your separate save directories in /mmt/home, or in another partition. If you do a frugal install, before you go on the web with it make an md5 of your spup.sfs, and keep it there with the sfs in /mnt/home, so you can quick and easy check your pup.sfs file for integrity from time to time. If someone breaks in and adds something to it the check will fail and you can delete the whole file, then copy the unchageable one on your dvd to your /mnt/home. The replacement should load and run just like the replaced one. Puppy's main security problem is that anything that is added by anyone during a session that gets put anywhere but /home/spot or a temp location in /root gets saved to your pup-save. It then gets installed or re-added or re-started with your next start-up and can run. If you encrypt your pup-save, the addenda just get encrypted, too. Your way around is to save out what you want and obliterate the contents of your pup-save (Not your pup-save, itself: go to /mnt/home in a live session, or from another puppy, open your pup-save, which will mount it, click drag to box in everything, then delete-quiet. Then go back to /mnt/home and click the pup-save (now empty) again to unmount it. When you boot next clean content will be restored to the empty directory and on you can go.

You can also make a remaster DVD of a stock LHP and add sfs files to the disk. Instead of just burning the disk from /tmp, where it is made, select the option to save the remaster build to disk. Then you can open the build directory and add mariner and KDE and additional sfs files to the build, the way Mariner and KDE sfs's are on a stock LHP mariner CD. If you add more than those two, though, I think they might not always load in correct sequence.

What I do, instead, for an all-on-one-disk set-up, is first burn the iso leaving the disk open. Then I put all the sfs files and pets I want to add in two directories and then burn those on the disk after the iso. Then I close the session. To use the sfs files on the disk, frugal install the iso, then open the dvd, go to the sfs and pet files directories and copy from those to the frugal install /mnt/home. Note that if you copy the directories, not just the sfs files in them, to /mnt/home they will be down a layer in their directories and won't be found.

The above works for me. I think it should work for everyone.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 07:09    Post subject: puppy cd/dvd ideas  

re the above cd/dvd ideas you could also use the dvd and put the sfs files onto a usb drive to boot with right.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 13:36    Post subject: Re: LightHouse Mariner LiveDVD/LiveCD and SFSs
Subject description: SFS-TCZ_Linker
 

its-me-again wrote:
Macpup opera 2 uses enlightnment its a 431 baised os try it out and see what you think.
Interesting, I will try it when I have a chance.
gcmartin wrote:
Theres a PM to @tazoc from the SFS Utility author.
Thank you gcmartin. I'm glad to hear that jrb has tested the new SFS Linker with Lighthouse. I'm busy with final testing and debugging of the next release LHP 5.00 F, but when I have some time I will try it myself. Here is jrb's post:
jrb wrote:
gcmartin,
Have modified and tested SFS-TCZ_Linker-1.6.pet in Lighthouse 5D both Live CD and regular. Seems to work very well. Had to make a few small changes but I'm quite sure they won't be incompatible with other pups.

Try it out! J
Please see the notes at http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47976 before using it, and post questions or bugs there also.
Tommylee567 wrote:
dropped in to say that it is super this time. running kde 4.4 and some how figured out by the help here to boot using the intel driver.

Thanks and keep up the good work.

can i get some sfs modules somewhere?

Tim
You're welcome! All the SFS I have tested are posted at http://www.lhpup.org/download500.htm#SFS I received a PM about CairoDock but have not tested it yet. Requests for other apps are welcome.
gcmartin wrote:
...please help me understand what's wrong with this logic. I know the Mariner ISO places its SFSs in the root of the LIveDVD. I also know that Puppy BootManager Utility expects to find its SFSs in /mnt/home on the running system. Let say I:
  1. Open you Mariner ISO
  2. Leave the base system SFS, BUT move all other SFSs into /mnt/home folder
  3. Burn this "new" ISO as a Multi-Session.
  4. Boot this "new" ISO
  5. Run BootManager and select the SFSs I want
  6. When complete, Reboot the system allowing the system to '"save" the session
BootManager won't see SFS files until they are copied to /mnt/home on the drive (not CD/DVD) that has the pupsave. So even if /sr0/mnt/home has them, they still need to be copied to a hard drive or flash drive, whichever was used for the pupsave. Remastering on the other hand, includes the SFS files within a newer, much larger the main file. IIRC the main file is loaded at boot before the pupsave.[Edit: the pupsave is mounted before the main file.]
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Do you know if there is some way to copy Frugal to a LiveDVD so that it supports LH with the "installed" SFSs?
Except maybe SFS-TCZ_Linker, remastering--merging the SFS files into the main file (see CLAM01's post above) is the only way I know of.

I appreciate the ideas and feedback. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 14:31    Post subject: Re: LightHouse Mariner LiveDVD/LiveCD and SFSs
Subject description: SFS-TCZ_Linker
 

tazoc wrote:
....
gcmartin wrote:
...please help me understand what's wrong with this logic. I know the Mariner ISO places its SFSs in the root of the LIveDVD. I also know that Puppy BootManager Utility expects to find its SFSs in /mnt/home on the running system. Let say I:
  1. Open you Mariner ISO
  2. Leave the base system SFS, BUT move all other SFSs into /mnt/home folder
  3. Burn this "new" ISO as a Multi-Session.
  4. Boot this "new" ISO
  5. Run BootManager and select the SFSs I want
  6. When complete, Reboot the system allowing the system to '"save" the session
BootManager won't see SFS files until they are copied to /mnt/home on the drive (not CD/DVD) that has the pupsave. So even if /sr0/mnt/home has them, they still need to be copied to a hard drive or flash drive, whichever was used for the pupsave. Remastering on the other hand, includes the SFS files within a newer, much larger the main file. IIRC the main file is loaded at boot before the pupsave.... -TazOC
Does this comment imply that I should copy the /mnt/home folder from the LiveDVD to the running (ram based) system's root before running BootManager, then run BootManager so that it finds the files and builds the correct boot measure and tables....Once Bootmanager is completed, should I Then to Reboot the running system allowing the system to '"save" the session to the LiveDVD/LiveCD? Is this what would work. Would the Lighthouse boot process then find the appropriate folders properly?

Thanks in advance

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 15:28    Post subject: Re: LightHouse Mariner LiveDVD/LiveCD and SFSs
Subject description: SFS-TCZ_Linker
 

gcmartin wrote:
tazoc wrote:
....BootManager won't see SFS files until they are copied to /mnt/home on the drive (not CD/DVD) that has the pupsave. So even if /sr0/mnt/home has them, they still need to be copied to a hard drive or flash drive, whichever was used for the pupsave. Remastering on the other hand, includes the SFS files within a newer, much larger the main file. IIRC the main file is loaded at boot before the pupsave.... -TazOC
Does this comment imply that I should copy the /mnt/home folder from the LiveDVD to the running (ram based) system's root before running BootManager, then run BootManager so that it finds the files and builds the correct boot measure and tables....Once Bootmanager is completed, should I Then to Reboot the running system allowing the system to '"save" the session to the LiveDVD/LiveCD? Is this what would work. Would the Lighthouse boot process then find the appropriate folders properly?
The only way I know of to save your session directly to CD/DVD is with the experimental Multi-session LiveDVD (PUPMODE=77), probably quite slow, especially with KDE and I don't know how it handles SFS files. This is at line 115 of /usr/sbin/bootmanager:
Code:
#for multisession cd, extra sfs files have to be on the cd...
#v3.97 sfs files are at '/', saved with a session...
if [ "$PUPMODE" = "77" ];then
# MPATTERN="/dev/${PDEV1} "
# EXTRASFSMNTPT="`mount | grep "$MPATTERN" | cut -f 3 -d ' '`"
# #...it may not be mounted, then gets mounted below.
# MSGx="Note2: These files are on the Puppy boot CD"
 MSGz='/'
# if [ "$EXTRASFSMNTPT" = "" ];then
  EXTRASFSMNTPT='/'
 xEXTRASFSMNTPTx="" #100711
  MSGx="Note2: All SFS files have to get loaded into RAM from CD"
# fi
fi
If you boot Lighthouse from CD/DVD, at shutdown you'll see
Quote:
You have booted off a live-CD or DVD, and you can now save your personal settings and files to a USB Flash drive, Zip drive, floppy disk, or any hard drive partition (including NTFS). The session will be saved as a single file, named spupsave.3fs, which has an ext3 filesystem inside it.

However, if you have burnt the CD/DVD as multisession (not closed), then sessions can be saved as additional tracks to the CD/DVD -- each saved session will appear on the CD/DVD as a directory with all the saved files in it, not as a single file. THIS IS STILL EXPERIMENTAL

Select <SAVE> (just type S) to choose a partition to save this session as file spupsave.3fs...
Select <SAVE TO CD> (TAB then ENTER) to save session to CD/DVD (multisession) (EXPERIMENTAL)...
BootManager can't be run in first boot / LiveCD/DVD mode (PUPMODE=5), only after saving your session and rebooting. So I think for incorporating SFS files into PUPMODE=5, either remastering or the new SFS-TCZ_Linker are the best options.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 16:01    Post subject: Thanks  

Thanks for your insights. I know you are busy with getting to the next release and I appreciate your looking at this.

I believe this thread's mission is to address getting to the next release of LH and Mariner, so I will open a separate thread to discuss LH, Mariner, and SFS processing.. This will not "clutter" this thread or this thread's mission.

I don't want to detract from the "Prime Directive". Thanks again tazoc

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 18:22    Post subject: Re: LH Mariner 5D and how SFSs can be handled on LiveDVD  

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Sep 2010, 03:14    Post subject: Re: LightHouse Mariner LiveDVD/LiveCD and SFSs
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gcmartin wrote:
Does this comment imply that I should copy the /mnt/home folder from the LiveDVD to the running (ram based) system's root before running BootManager, then run BootManager so that it finds the files and builds the correct boot measure and tables....Once Bootmanager is completed, should I Then to Reboot the running system allowing the system to '"save" the session to the LiveDVD/LiveCD? Is this what would work. Would the Lighthouse boot process then find the appropriate folders properly?

Thanks in advance


You should never leave the DVD open in general use. if you save and use the same save file from cd/dvd all the time as it gets bigger or full it will break and you will get a big error runing slow and nothing can be done.

the idea is good one though as long as you keep the save file small and wipe it out after you have finished or save it to the computer itself. I had prioblems saving to cd. adn will never so it again.
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Sep 2010, 14:56    Post subject: Thanks for your reply  

@its-me-again thanks for your insights.

On the subject of LiveDVD (Its been moved here), I have been using LiveDVD for a while and haven't even come close to consuming the 4.8GB, yet. Just my usage, of course, and it may be different from yours. And, I have a need for this because of some very obvious advantages.. But thanks for your insights.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Sep 2010, 19:30    Post subject: another bible puppy.  

Hi all i wonder if you have heard of teh new cloud bible built on nop quirky.

it has a good potential. http://cloudbible.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/new-cloud-bible-flight-110-cdbb-110-iso-notes/

it was produced by aome church of christ in america i think.


everthing is online. it is a good thing.

i would miodify the linkx fo my country and stuff so its more userfriendly for use users in NZL maby even get my church to officially let me link them to it. it wold be a good idea. s a witnessing tool. and it is lighter then other christin puppyes i have seen.

this idea would be the best to use as it does fit on a mini cd. well i tested the version 100 sofar. now there is that updatd version ^ see link &^
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PostPosted: Fri 17 Sep 2010, 16:54    Post subject:  

Anyone interested in Cairo Dock for LHP5D take a look at this link:


http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=451776#451776
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