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Lucid Puppy 5.1- A Full-Featured Compact Distro
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James C
 Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4742 Location: Kentucky |
Update: After playing around with the font sizes Firefox now appears to be rendering correctly. I just love this testing stuff................. 
Update 2: The mtPaint problem appears to be a missing lib.......# mtpaint mtpaint: error while loading shared libraries: libjpeg.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory # |
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Iguleder
 Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1614 Location: Israel, somewhere in the beautiful desert |
I found a fix for that, I posted it in Barry's blog already.
It's because the package is dated back to the 4.x series, it wants the old libjpeg. playdayz and micko01: I started messing with Woof and Lupu, as you can see. I'm trying to find all small mismatches and fixes needed for a totally sane Lupu. I think I'll make a fixes PET with all the fixes I find. I'll try to recompile things like Ayttm, Viewnior and mtPaint for Lupu with updated versions, so we don't have to face those old library problems anymore. Also, I'm working on some addition to Woof, a stripping and optimization step to 3builddistro, that optimizes all PNG images and all gzip-compressed stuff, plus strips all executables/kernel modules/libraries in a better way, that shaves much more than the traditional one. Should reduce the total size of Lupu. That's good, should improve boot times, image (icon/wallpaper) loading speeds and make us a little bit closer to the mythological 100 MB limit 
EDIT: tiny request/suggestion - can you convert all graphics (mainly wallpapers) used by Lupu to PNG? Could save some size. _________________ Shahor, my Puppy concept |
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playdayz
 Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 3705 |
TomRhymer, Yes. xwin, which is the script that starts X, has a section now that checks for a complete xorg.conf, and if not then it runs xorgwizard. But because of the problem there is never a complete xorg.conf, so xwin runs xorgwizard every time it starts X. That problem will disappear when we get xorgwizard to write a complete xorg.conf. Last edited by playdayz on Sat 29 May 2010, 12:00; edited 2 times in total |
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playdayz
Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 3705 |
@micko
upnorth, That is good to know that Xorg -configure generates the xorg.conf. The big mystery is still why xorgwizard does not. If we can't get it in a few days, I will try to interest Barry in the problem 
It is probably the extra test in xwin, you can see it very near the top, that checks if there is a ServerLayout section in order to test for a complete xorg.conf.
I am sure you could 01micko, but we would still need for xorgwizard to do what it is supposed to do in order to keep compatibility with Woof. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
James1911 and Iguleder, Thanks for catching that. Just so you know, this kind of thing will happen because we update the Ubuntu files and they must have updated mtpaint so that it requires the new libjpeg. |
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PaulBx1
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2308 Location: Wyoming, USA |
That's not the problem. The problem is finding and reporting bugs, and not even being told that it is built into Xorg, or whatever. The problem is never having your bug report acknowledged, never mind fixed. After enough of that, one starts to feel like, "Why bother?" Great way to keep a lot of testers working for ya. Since I've drifted away from being an involved Puppy tester to just a user lately, I haven't kept up on all the latest talk. But some of the stuff I've read around here just sounds crazy. Why do we have Quickpet? What's wrong with PPM? Do we really need two ways to install the same package? Wouldn't it have been better just to put a help button in PPM? Gnumeric is an excellent spreadsheet. The only way we need OO Calc is the same way Barry made it available, as part of an SFS that you can load once in a blue moon when you absolutely need it, then dump it when you are done. KDE in Puppy? Absolutely insane. 
Heck, when we boot we have the boot cheatcodes, or whatever they are called. I don't think there has ever been so much as a simple list of all the available boot codes, explaining what they do, available where you need it, at boot. Why not? Is this so hard? That's assuming the codes actually work, which they often do not (I've never seen the fsck code work on encrypted pupsaves). I'm not completely opposed to new features. I proposed putting the main browser in its own SFS file so people can easily pick the browser they want, but that went nowhere. Maybe there are some drawbacks to that that I'm unaware of. And Pizzasgood put together the multiuser Puppy, why not have that (defaulted to single user)? The one thing that Puppy always gets bashed for, in reviews, is not being multiuser, forcing people to run as root. Sure, maybe that complaint is silly, but it's still a major factor stopping wider acceptance of Puppy. One gets tired of defending Puppy on this point in discussions, over and over. And encryption? Why are we still stuck on crappy old cryptoloop? Why never any pets for gpg, or enigmail? (Maybe fixed in lupu, I don't know.) Why no way to encrypt disk partitions? And pupsave backup, it's still a pain in the ass. Even I managed to cook up a way to make it easy, but no one has ever put that into a standard Puppy that I know of. Lupu addresses the main drawback of all the Puppies since day one: not having a decent repository. If I can get a solid Lupu I will be on board immediately, but if it turns into one of these "bells and whistles" exercises, I will not bother. 4.3.1 still works well enough for me. Paul, the grump |
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playdayz
Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 3705 |
Paul the grump, I just had a feature idea for Lucid Puppy--One-Click Locale. Including all of the many Locales and languages for every Puppy program is too much, it takes too much space, so many are left out. However, if someone could open Quickpet, just for example, and click one button to download the French for all of the programs (assuming they have it available of course), it seems like we could have the best of both worlds, small fast Puppy with ones' language of choice. Has this already been done?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul, all I can say is watch us. Quickpet and PPM might evolve together--but already I would say that the Browser-chooser and Quickpet, seem to have been very popular with Puppy users (and I ma not the one who created Quickpet--that was 01micko). If they make Puppy easier and more fun--that seems like a good thing to me--and IMO the Browser-Chooser is fun... which one do I feel like using today... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good news today. Cups-1.4.3-1 worked for the first time without any cheating. That is big to me
Geany won't be needing any cheating either (by cheating I mean special customization--some of which is inevitable but the less the better). It looks like we got the problem with xorgwizard. There is a new file named displaylink_drv.so in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers. If you remove it then xorgwizard behaves. Thanks everyone. Whew! ----------------------------------------------------- There are several files named ps2pdf12,13, etc in /usr/bin. And one named ps2pdf. Maybe linking those other files to ps2pdf would change the problem with abiword not printing the graphics properly in some pdf printing. So that ps2pdf12 was linked to ps2pdf, or 13, etc. Or it might never work again. Just a wild thought. Last edited by playdayz on Sat 29 May 2010, 20:04; edited 1 time in total |
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01micko
 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7019 Location: qld |
Paul the grump.. Which is it? You don't want new features.. right?
Or you do want new features? 
We provide easily for picking a browser a user wants. And we can do it while still running in ram. How's a newby going to figure out sfs in the first 5 minutes? I suggest, if you want these new features (or not) that you jump on board and help out... instead of being a grump! Have a nice day! 
Cheers. _________________ keep the faith  ..  |
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Lobster
Official Crustacean  Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15109 Location: Paradox Realm |
Mick probably knows about this I believe we have xdg (I think it is called) menu items that were initiated by rarsa So I step locales would be possible and welcome Hope you can make the developer meeting starting shortly off to get a cup of tea and then meeting . . . _________________ Puppy WIKI |
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WhoDo
 Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 4441 Location: Lake Macquarie NSW Australia |
I blame playdayz (Larry) ... he said there had been little or no negativity in the Lupu development process. I think he probably jinxed you!
_________________ Actions speak louder than words ... and they usually work when words don't! SIP:whodo@proxy01.sipphone.com; whodo@realsip.com |
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zenfunk
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 221 |
Hm, I understand that having an easy way of installing programs is necessary, so having quickpet is a good thing from that perspective. On the other hand, using PPM isn't that hard either. Having Quickpet will also will draw away manpower from the development of PPM which opens up puppy to the vast ubuntu repositories. If people still want to make customized pets for lupu- why not put these (after a thorough quality control) in the puppy 5 repositories inside PPM. Why add another half finished packet installation gui tool to lupu?
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01micko
Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7019 Location: qld |
From my perspective as the developer of Quickpet, you could be correct. The good thing is that Quickpet is so simple. It is basically hard coded to a few configuration files such that the leader of a distro can change with relative ease, without diving into the guts of the program. It's pretty much only my resources consumed by Quickpet so that argument is void. We did alot of alpha and beta testing and as far as I know the only issue left is the updating. That's not to say it's perfect, my coding is far from it, but it is stable for a new app. I am now working on localising Quickpet and all the apps in Quickpet as well as all the apps that have a menu entry or an icon in Puppy. Ok, that consumes some resources! Especially since I only know English! You are certainly twice as far ahead of me in that respect Christian! (um.. little help from some of your German speaking friends please? )
Thanks for your comments. Cheers Mick _________________ keep the faith .. |
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zenfunk
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 221 |
Well, since that there are not so much devels working on the project actively I think that my argument isn't void .
I never questioned the quality of your work. All I can say is that quickpet installed firefox on my machine flawlessly. However- why don't you simply add a "lupu quickpet" repository to PPM. Just make sure that the packets are of better quality than the ones in the Puppy 2, 3 and 4 repos (e. g. the various mplayer versions in there never worked for me for different reasons (compiled for the wrong cpu) etc...). Since you only have to make pets for lupu and no other puppy version- it should be much easier to get it right. Starting a seperate packet installing gui projects is IMHO a duplication of efforts. Also it kinda defeats the purpose of building a distro from the Ubuntu packages. Firefox, Seamonkey- it's allready there (in the repositories). Just provide a simple way of installing them via a (relatively) bugfree PPM. If PPM doesn't work then it's back to packet hunting in the forums. If you need testers for your localization project, drop me a pm, I can easily free a partition for Lupu. All the best, Christian |
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01micko
Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7019 Location: qld |
Ok Christian, can we agree to disagree on Quickpet? However, the main PPM repo definitely does need work. It needs to be separate from all the dpup and old uj stuff and of course needs to be populated. ************* Anyone reading this.... Compatible packages can be made in 2 ways. 1) Compiled from source in Lupu, and packaged with either new2dir, or packaged manually ensuring to keep NLS (locale) files in a separate package, and optionally DOC. 2) Grabbing the Ubuntu package and tossing out all the fat and stripping bins and libs BUT keeping any NLS (locale) files in a separate package, and DOC files. ********** Thanks for your offer with NLS stuff, coincidentally mave has just done Quickpet translation. I know that Sigmund (zigbert) still needs a couple of German translations for a couple of his apps. I think Pwidgets and, PCD. I would also like to localise PPM and Simple Network Setup as these are going to be very commonly used apps. Shinobar's SFS in the "localisation " forum is a very useful resource too. It almost works perfectly in Lupu. Cheers Mick _________________ keep the faith .. |
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Iguleder
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1614 Location: Israel, somewhere in the beautiful desert |
I'm working on my first wizard for Lupu, see here -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=423208#423208. Can anyone with good gtkdialog skills help with this?
_________________ Shahor, my Puppy concept |
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01micko
Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7019 Location: qld |
Hey Iguleder Nice job! So long as it works the fluff can come later
My first stand-alone gtkdialog effort is here ... , but I maintain it and it's still useful to some.
Plenty of good info on formatting in zigbert's thread in the programming section of the forum. Cheers _________________ keep the faith .. |
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