Lucid Puppy 5.1- A Full-Featured Compact Distro

[playdayz]

So don't change the local thing but see to that one can combine one local keyboard setting with keeping English everywhere else in menu and program texts.

That is already possible, unless I am misunderstanding.

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I have tested by booting the live cd and formatting the hard disk to ext4, then installing a full install and rebooting. it worked fine. Then I reformatted to ext4 again and made a frugal install, that worked fine also, but you do have to manually edit the /boot/grub/menu,lst as the instructions say. this was on my old P3 Thinkpad T22.

WhoDo has also made a subtle change that makes the active titlebar easier to read. He agreed with those who made comments--but it read fine on some computers. I have implemented that change. As we speak 01micko is putting the finishing touches on Quickpet. Don't expect anything today, but get ready for tomorrow! It's coming....

[James C]

Don't expect anything today, but get ready for tomorrow! It's coming....

Patiently waiting.................

[Béèm]

WhoDo has also made a subtle change that makes the active titlebar easier to read. He agreed with those who made comments--but it read fine on some computers.

hmmm. I did some subtle changes already.

[dawg]

I really haven't much time for testing, but I thought I'd give it a quick try...

I can report that "automatic / on-demand" CPU throttling doesn't quite work on my P4-based laptop, resulting in Puppy running at full speed constantly (which is particularly annoying as the CPU fan keeps turning itself on and off).
I think I'd be using Lupu on a daily basis (instead of not at all) if it weren't for this...

Manual throttling works fine, but I really prefer automatic/on-demand.

I've tested this in Lupu 5.0 as well as 5.0.8 Beta 3 with the same result.
It works mighty fine in 4.3.1, though.
I also don't have this problem in the latest Mandriva, so I'm assuming it's an Ubuntu-related quirk.


Love the new icons & wallpapers, BTW! Also nice for attracting new users.
QuickPet is also one great new thing.

[BarryK]

Guys,
You may have thrown the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. Playdayz mentioned that you synced with Woof July 20, had some trouble and rolled back to July 10.

You would have had trouble with the Puppy Installer and some other scripts, as disktype is broken. Even rolling back to July 10 doesn't fix that.

All official releases of disktype do not work properly with ext4. I have documented this on my blog. You have to use the one that has the "Pardus" patch:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01673

It is sad, the disktype bug has existed for a long time, the author has not bothered to fix it.

The pet is here:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... dus_bk.pet

[fyujj]

I confirm that after changing the locale to pt_BR the fallback language (for those apps that don`t have a translation) is really English. It had been an eastern European language in my first try but that may have been influenced by some random thing or whatever (I can`t point now what may have caused that except that I had changed locale with Countrywizard ).

[01micko]

don570

I have reason to believe this graphix_test (attached) should fix your "Lupu Recommends" and hopefully not break anyone elses!

run it from command line.

Please test and report

Cheers

[01micko]

scsijon

Cool in the mallee this morn?

Sorry for seeming to ignore your reports about quickpet... I tested on gprs, which is nearly as slow as dialup and it was fine with all mirrors. Did you set a mirror? I'm guessing you did, the 2 fast Aussie mirrors are there .. aarnet and internode. You do it in "preferences".

Barry has satellite and as far as I know it worked for him in Puppy 5.

There is a backup system in help.

Cheers

[BarryK]

Playdayz sent me a pm about issues with dependency checking in PPM in Lupu. The particular problem that he reported may still have to be fixed, however one dependency-checking bug was fixed in the Woof July 20 release, that you guys are missing out on:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01719
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01725

[BarryK]

I posted about an improvement to Simple Network Setup:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01742

Playdayz responded here:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01743

And I responded to his post, however I have not yet had feedback on my response.

Would you guys mind checking my latest rc.network script with wired ethernet, and if there is a problem with not connecting at bootup, could you check the files that I have suggested?

Thanks.

[BarryK]

These are the bug fixes and improvements in the July 20 Woof, relative to July 10:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01733
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01732
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01731
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01730
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01725
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01724
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01719
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01717

I don't want to press the matter, but it is unlikely that anything in there would be justification for rolling back to July 10 Woof.

More likely, any issues would be due to something else, such as the broken disktype.

...anyway, it's your Lupu.

[James C]

Would you guys mind checking my latest rc.network script with wired ethernet, and if there is a problem with not connecting at bootup, could you check the files that I have suggested?

I have 2 Lupu-508 frugal installs, using SNS, and have had no problems with my wired ethernet connection, connected at boot and stays connected. Also used live pfix=ram on several more machines and always had a connection on bootup.

[wayne128]

wayne128

try this jre pet. Be aware that this one uses over 100MB of your pupsave once installed.

As for broadcom.. they are very linux unfriendly, though the next kernel may well fix your issue. Sorry but that's the best I can come up with for now. Perhaps, if there is source for the module you need, a kernel module could be compiled and made available. I'll look into the issue, an ID number of your hardware can be obtained by running "lspci".

(usual usr.. password.. p*pp* --- l*n*x )

Thanks 01micko
i installed the java pet from your link and it works.

regarding tg3, it is broadcom netlink BCM57788 gigabit ethernet PCIe (rev 0).
using fatdog64 and Ndiswrapper, it worked.
but using Lupu508Beta, Ndiswrapper could not work and gives me 'invalid driver' on the same windows .inf file.

i have another issue on old laptop with celeron cpu.
when i play mp4 files, the media player starts but no video, sound is also very low volume.
it is repeatable.
when first file is being played, if i click the same file again, second player will have video and the same soft sound.
this problem is unique to this old laptop celeron cpu/VIA Unichrome Pro graphic.
by the way, using Quirky120 or quirky NOP120 does not have this video problem.

any help is appreciated.

[BarryK]

This is an announcement I guess.

It seems like Lupu-506 has very many good things going for it. It is definitely the foundation of Lupu-5.10.

However the grub config problem has led 01micko to find problems with the installer, serious problems. 01micko believes those problems arose in the Woof update of July 20. I have written Barry about this but he has other responsibilities at the moment. I would rather that Barry had a chance to fix any problems rather than roll back tot he Woof of July 10--though if you remember 5.0 I froze everything several weeks before release and did not update to the later Woofs.

I am a bit down myself today and I do not like to make big decisions when I am sick so we are in a holding pattern. Please continue to use Lupu-506 and look for any evidence concerning the installer plus any other anomalies. Thanks.

I have been reading back through this thread, trying to find out why you rolled Woof back. Is that it, just the installer? Then the problem is not the installer, it is disktype.

[playdayz]

Yes Barry, we may certainly have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. In my opinion, though, it is less important to have the latest Woof than it is to have thoroughly tested the woof that we do use. The Woof of July 10 was a good one and what is more we have tested it well. I understand that your perspective may differ from mine on this.

I take the responsibility seriously to try to deliver a well-tested flagship product, and perhaps it is appropriate that it be a bit behind the latest Quirky. I regard it as a good software development strategy for Lucid puppy to freeze two to three weeks prior to release. Puppy is not the same as a large software company such as Ubuntu, thank goodness, but I think a freeze that began *only* two weeks prior to release would scare the devil out of them. It seems like a long time to you and a short time to them--but to me it seems just about right

BTW, I got the SNS update.

[BarryK]

Would you guys mind checking my latest rc.network script with wired ethernet, and if there is a problem with not connecting at bootup, could you check the files that I have suggested?

I have 2 Lupu-508 frugal installs, using SNS, and have had no problems with my wired ethernet connection, connected at boot and stays connected. Also used live pfix=ram on several more machines and always had a connection on bootup.

That's fine, but I posted a new rc.network script a couple of days ago for testing. That's what this is all about.

Script here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 342#439342

...then see my blog posts about checking some files if ethernet does not connect at bootup.

[tasmod]

Barry,

I had two frugal installs, laptop and PC. Both Luci 508

I was writing a small app for someone to turn network on and off (for kids) which worked OK with my laptop but not PC.

Turns out PC used SNS and laptop probably original network setup rc.network dated 2007. Either way the SNS rc.network does not contain the case for start /stop the older setup does.

If you are updating SNS, too much trouble to ask for the case select inclusion?

[01micko]

Hi Barry

I can wear some of the responsibility for rollback.

It was at my suggestion. Really there were some unfortunate circumstances that we all faced at that time. My circumstances severely reduced the amount of time I could spend on Puppy.

In retrospect, had we have known, well for want of a better term, I guess we "knew", just didn't realise, about the disktype issue then perhaps the outcome may have been more favourable for the good of woof.

Cheers

[01micko]

regarding tg3, it is broadcom netlink BCM57788 gigabit ethernet PCIe (rev 0).
using fatdog64 and Ndiswrapper, it worked.
but using Lupu508Beta, Ndiswrapper could not work and gives me 'invalid driver' on the same windows .inf file.

i have another issue on old laptop with celeron cpu.
when i play mp4 files, the media player starts but no video, sound is also very low volume.
it is repeatable.
when first file is being played, if i click the same file again, second player will have video and the same soft sound.
this problem is unique to this old laptop celeron cpu/VIA Unichrome Pro graphic.
by the way, using Quirky120 or quirky NOP120 does not have this video problem.

any help is appreciated.

With the ndiswrapper issue... are you using SNS or Network wizard to connect?

Try SNS, it works for me with an old p3 and a TI acx chipset that requires ndiswrapper. If it fails try to run "modprobe ndiswrapper" once you have selected your .inf file. Perhaps try SNS pfix=ram too.

Didn't the tg3 driver load? It is the linux driver for your card and it's there along with the firmware. Try "modprobe tg3", see if that does it.

The video issue with mplayer is possibly an option needed in the /root/.mplayer/config file

type

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mplayer -vo help

in a terminal .. then try some different entries in that config file-- eg

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# Write your default config options here!
vo="x11"

HTH

Cheers

[James C]

Would you guys mind checking my latest rc.network script with wired ethernet, and if there is a problem with not connecting at bootup, could you check the files that I have suggested?

I have 2 Lupu-508 frugal installs, using SNS, and have had no problems with my wired ethernet connection, connected at boot and stays connected. Also used live pfix=ram on several more machines and always had a connection on bootup.

That's fine, but I posted a new rc.network script a couple of days ago for testing. That's what this is all about.

Script here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 342#439342

...then see my blog posts about checking some files if ethernet does not connect at bootup.

Believed I'd already installed your new "rc.network" but to be certain I just downloaded it again.Went to /usr/local/simple_network_setup/ ....deleted the original rc.network and replaced it with the new one.

Rebooted....had a connection.I've rebooted 3 times and maintained the connection.If I do encounter a problem I'll post.