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Did you notice that Slack has been ported for ARM:
http://www.slackware.com/index.html
More ARM systems promised. Probably a vista for the future. x86 has been stretched well beyond breaking point. Who is fabbing for ARM?

Look at SmartQ.

Had a little difficulty with the simplified Chinese. However, the mention of WinCE is sufficient for me to run a mile...

Some comments on the internet say that ARM based processors may be the future of small Netbook computers. So cool that we can have linux for them too that is easily avalable.

Maybe I am too naive. Would linux on ARM be more secure from exploits if they used unique subroutine calls to the ARM processor microcode making it too difficult for the criminals to write exploits.

sorry a bit to offtopic.

Sage wrote:Had a little difficulty with the simplified Chinese. However, the mention of WinCE is sufficient for me to run a mile...

Well, Sage, just because it will run CE (as well as Ubuntu 9.10 and Android OS) doesn't mean it's bad. Just means it can multi-boot.

Seems like a natural for Puppy if we had an ARM build like Ubuntu does. I imagine it would run rings around Ubuntu, and CE would be relegated to an unused curiosity.

I can dual boot into XP, Win98, as well as Puppy on my regular laptop or desktop (not that I have booted win in at least a year), That doesn't mean those computers are bad.

Lots of exciting stuff happening in tablets these days (see forum at slatedroid dot com). Almost all ARM processor based. Android running on most of these ARM tablets is linux kernel based and open source. I wish Puppy was part of it. The speed and small size are exactly what is needed.

In principle, logically, what you say, vtpup , is indisputable.
Unfortunately it doesn't/hasn't worked like that in the real world. You left out 'leverage' and marketing muscle in your model. These are by-words for capitalist corruption.
What we desperately need are machines that cannot run anything out of Redmond. The world cannot afford to pervert the cause of progress, peace, cooperation and understanding twice. Well, OK, any more...

Sage wrote:In principle, logically, what you say, vtpup , is indisputable.
Unfortunately it doesn't/hasn't worked like that in the real world. You left out 'leverage' and marketing muscle in your model. These are by-words for capitalist corruption.
What we desperately need are machines that cannot run anything out of Redmond. The world cannot afford to pervert the cause of progress, peace, cooperation and understanding twice. Well, OK, any more...

haha, okay I'm with you. You realize of course though we're talking censorship of the bad guys. Maybe deflation of all that marketing muscle is better than amputation.

Like the emperor's new clothes. Once the cry is heard, that man is naked as a jaybird.

So back to the topic at hand -- will we see an ARM pup? I'm going to install Debian as soon as my slate gets here from Hong Kong. I'd like to poke around with it. But of course Puppy is the ultimate, as far as I'm concerned.

BTW I'm getting a cheapie Eken M001 with VIA 8505 chipset after all. It doesn't run CE, just Android 1.6, upgradeable to 1.7. Lots of hacking going on for that tablet because of the $99 price, though. I'm interested to see what can be done.

It is a question of a large consistent user base of devices.
That might take a year or two to develop from a product such as the dedicated hardware for running Chromium OS and whether it is accessible.
Chromium OS hardware is Intel based at the moment
http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/get ... dware-list

At the present time Android and Ophone devices have not achieved mass market ARM appeal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPhone

Lobster, I do trust you mean Iphone devices. My fingers hit the wrong o instead of i many times a day so it is most likely.

vtpup re your Eken M001. Wow 99 USD that is so cheap that even me would buy it. Would be cool to run Puppy on such gear indeed.

user review here
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82976

First thing to note is that you cannot recharge off the USB connection. I knew this going in, but still it is disappointing. I prefer usb charging for most of my devices these days, and usb charging also opens up the possibility of extended the mobile battery life by using backup power devices that give additional charging over usb (including the

Secondly, you will note that it claims USB x 2, but in fact only has 1 USB connection, and it uses an iPod/iPhone style connection on the tablet side. It also claims a microphone port, but no evidence of one on the device as it is shipping.

So cheap prize cheap features?

Edit

Heheh, okay sorry. So Ophone it is. Google didn't trust me searching for it.

nooby wrote:Lobster, I do trust you mean Iphone devices.

No I mean Ophone - an Android clone used in China were most smart devices are being prepared for market. Nothing may come of it and it may just be used by their internal markets.

I sent for my Eken M001 at DealExtreme after having trouble getting two other sources to actually ship it. It was $99 including air mail via HKPost. They processed in under 3 days and sent a tracking number. Another one I tried hadn't even sent it after 8 days. Unfortunately DE seems to be out of the Eken M001 at last look -- actually many other sources seem to be as well. So maybe I got the last one until the mfr catches up.

There are several other types that are similar, but not the same, and the specs are wildly misquoted on many. The true Eken M001 is actually 350 mHz (usually called 600 mHz) and 128 Mb internal memory w/2gb internal SD ram and expandable to 32 mb externally. It always has the Via processor. Usually white case and a red button.There's a larger 8" Eken M003, that is to be avoided no USB and no hacked firmware, also slow. I say all this because there is so much confusion in the market.

The M001 has the most development by hackers -- new firmware weekly and lots going on -- maybe three times as much as the others.

Debian has been run on them, though you need to add a USB Mouse and keyboard to do the initial setup, and that requires a powered hub. It doesn't seem like anybody has yet added touchscreen capability in a Debian install, though it looks like there are touch screen drivers in Debian (perhaps something for me to work on trying to achieve). This is all very new. (Part of the attraction, and fun).

I'm thinking of trying to mimic Puppy in appearance at least in Debian. JWM and whatever else I can do that's similar. The basic choices in Puppy were obviously well considered for a minimal size and limited power machine. Rox maybe, etc. I gues I'll be learning more about Puppy's basic nature this way than I know now.

Reviewer: First thing to note is that you cannot recharge off the USB connection. I knew this going in, but still it is disappointing. I prefer usb charging for most of my devices these days, and usb charging also opens up the possibility of extended the mobile battery life by using backup power devices that give additional charging over usb (including the...

To the reviewer:

Kinda tough charging a 7.4 volt powered device off of a 5V USB port.

USB charging isn't a sign of quality or cost. It costs nothing to run a 5V USB trace to the charging circuitry.

whadya want, egg in yer beer?

If you want ARM, you want one of these ... http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ You can run a *FULL* debian on it if you wish. Would be great to boot up puppies in it, too

They cost a lot. Is the Nokia N900 really better than Samsung Galaxy 9000 or what exact name it has. That one have Android 2.1 if I remember. But cost less?

Android has many more apps? Bigger community that could help out?

Okay I have enough money to buy both but what a waist of money.

vtpup

What with these cheapo voltage converters available......
5v to 7.4v is not too much of a current loss, however 5v to 14.4v uses well over double the input current, but is achievable

Damn clever these Chinese....

I don't understand the Arm promo.....

The dual Atom + nVidia Ion looks far better to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98iYnuT7y-c

Asus are doing a clone already for a new eeepc...

http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/asus- ... phics.html

Also see the Aspire Revo R3600


Aitch

Aitch,

I am using a Acer Aspire Revo model R1600. It does work nice. Puppy gives it usual excellent performance. One problem with the Ion chipset is to use the normal 16 by 9 video resolution of most newer LCD devices, one has to have the official Nvidia driver. The nv driver of Puppy sometimes works. Official Nvidia driver is not open source. It also can be very large and may not support older hardware. One may need to have different versions of the Nvidia driver for all the hardware used by the Puppy systems. There is an open source driver called nouveau that may do the same. I do not have much experience with it.

I also have been look at ARM processor devices. I found a nice one, the Archos 7 Internet Media Tablet. It sells for about 200 US dollars and runs the Android 1.5 operating system. It has a 7 inch diagonal screen, 800 by 480 I think. The specifications for the Archos 7 look very much like the SmartQ mentioned by Raffy. It can use a micro SD card. It would be nice if it is possible to boot from the micro SD card, especially if it uses the Grub or Grub4Dos boot loader. It might be possible to build a version of Puppy for it.

nooby wrote:They cost a lot.

Yes, that's what you pay for when you're squeezing the form factor of eeepc into a phone. Also, these devices stay on for *days* instead of the typical 2-3hours of ARM netbooks discussed in this thread. I myself have been waiting for low-cost, long-endurance ARM netbooks but that doesn't seem to happen any soon (low-cost, yes, but battery life still at 2-3 hours - which *sucks*, because it kind of why I'm looking at ARM at the first place).

Is the Nokia N900 really better than Samsung Galaxy 9000 or what exact name it has. That one have Android 2.1 if I remember. But cost less?

Samsung i9000 galaxy is is more expensive here than the N900 (perhaps because it's 3 months newer). The difference is - with N900 you get GNU/Linux, with Samsung you get Android/Linux

Android has many more apps? Bigger community that could help out?

Android's apps store is bigger than Ovi store. But in terms of community, they are equally big, I think. N900 is the latest of a long line of Nokia tablets (N770, N800, N810) which have been there for years. And it's GNU/Linux - you can take most of the binaries compiled for Debian ARM and it'll work.

Okay I have enough money to buy both but what a waist of money.

Lucky you

I'm such a poor reader of texts.

I thought Nokia N900 was Maemo or maybe meego updated?

Is it really Gnu linux? But using ARM. I am so lazy should check that out.
I can buy one just some 500 meters from where I live. Phonehouse.
They have it on demand only so no hands on before one buy but in the Stockholm City most likely they have one somewhere to check out.

What I would like is to have something as small as N900 but that allows you to connect a standard keyboard and standard screen and mouse and audio amp and use it as a desktop sort of as a back up to the big desktop. I hate the sound of the fans.

nooby wrote:I thought Nokia N900 was Maemo or maybe meego updated?

Correct, N900 is based on Maemo. Maemo is a derivative of Debian.

Is it really Gnu linux?

Yes, definitely.

What I would like is to have something as small as N900 but that allows you to connect a standard keyboard and standard screen and mouse and audio amp and use it as a desktop sort of as a back up to the big desktop. I hate the sound of the fans.

N900 has TV out - so you can connect it to your TV, but not to your computer screen (no VGA output). You can probably use external bluetooth keyboard and mouse although that seems to be a work in progress - see here http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsuppo ... h_profiles. For audio-amp, the sound output is via 3.5mm jack which is standard jack, so you can probably to it. Check http://maemo.org/ or perhaps ask a few questions before you decide to buy.

A bad thing that I found on their support site.

They have an issue with the mini usb port. I mechanically gets detached and even if it doesn't it fail to work for some users. This has gone on since Jan 2010 and still in May it was not solved so I guess all the Nokia N900 in stock at Phonehouse in Sweden have the batch with that problem.

Okay about being based on Debian. That is promising.