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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 05:29    Post subject: What are the Seamonkey2 Issues  

Can someone point me to a discussion of the Seamonkey2 issues? I am using it in 4.3.2 and am loving it, except that the browser becomes horribly confused when my laptop runs out of battery. I'm still unable to restore automatic login to this site for instance.

If Seamonkey is dropped, those of us using it as an IMAP mail client will have to run Thunderbird as well, hardly a "lightweight" option. For the non-geek, what does the heavy Firefox/Thunderbird combination give us that a stable Seamonkey would not? The interfaces seem very, very similar, to the extent that Mozilla help documentation does not distinguish between Firefox/Seamonkey browser and Thunderbird/Seamonkey Mail, except for a few points.

Since Seamonkey2 is only at 2.04, perhaps it it too early to give up on it just yet?
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 05:53    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:

I like seamonkey's editor as well... have been using it since netscape composer days back in the mid 90s, but just as an exercise I sat down to try writing a web page in abiword-2.8.2 and was pretty impressed with the results (gui only manual remaster howto). I did miss the quick browser preview capability, but it had the added benefit of being able to export to many different formats that seamonkey cannot and it has a grammar plugin and many others.


Dont forget Open Office Writer can do HTML, AND it is 'drag and drop'. I guess quite a few have the .sfs installed.

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 06:07    Post subject:  

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Sure, but does that then make auto-update or installation of a later version impossible without also adding dbus?


OK, but personally I strongly dislike auto updates, I usually turn it off. If given a choice, fine. Smile

Depends too on how small techno can get dbus and dbus.glib I guess. Maybe just go with Midori Very Happy . if it runs cups, then whack in a browser downloader of some description.. maybe [ Wink ]

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 10:21    Post subject:  

FYI - I compile without automatic updates and Sylpheed can handle IMAP since version 0.4.99 (currently 3.0.2).

The avoidance of automatic updates is to avoid the annoyance of unnecessary popups for those that run without creating a save file or who often boot with pfix=ram and to avoid incompatibilities with the mainline versions that often carry unnecessary dependencies such as those mentioned.

Sylpheed will open html links in an external browser, but you may need to set preference to /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser ... that is one thing that I neglected to do in my pet (other preferences as well)

also since Barry has always compiled seamonkey with ldap disabled, I did the same for sylpheed... Unlike Claws mail, sylpheed's plugin system is new so perhaps gpg, ldap etc... can be shifted to plugins in the future. The main difference with Claws is that it can do html with a webkit based plugin... which would favor using midori as the browser...

Seamonkey-1.1.19 ~10MB
last of the 1.X legacy, but still a good choice for now

Firefox-3 + Sylpheed ~10.5MB (no small html viewer +~.5MB)
Works on more sites without having to reset the user agent string. No html emails in Sylpheed except as attachments (could be + or - depending on the user ?)

Seamonkey-2.X ~12MB (no small html viewer +~.5MB)
problems with mail attachments

Midori + Clawsmail including gnutls & html viewer plugin ~8MB (including webkit and other dependencies)
downfalls - needs flash9 or additional mozilla libs - previously had problems resolving https, but webkit would provide a future port for the Puppy Browser since vala has good webkit bindings

Opera - good but proprietary and much larger now unless someone got permission to localize it and have unite as a separate package

... It appears that Seamonkey1 is likely the best choice for the 4.4 series, but Midori/webkit may be the way to go in the future, however it only takes a few minutes for me to crank out a firefox build - so why not?... over 25% (est.) of those who downloaded the last iso ended up downloading the firefox pet anyways (unfortunately I would need to rebuild Midori and all of its dependencies, because I'm not quite happy with the last build)

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 11:11    Post subject:  

My vote is keep working on Midori! Size matters but also speed. Firefox (and also Seamonkey 2) can take eons to start up - I usually end up clicking on it two or three times because it takes so long to start compared to the rest of Puppy software that I think it's broken. With Midori, you wouldn't even need a PuppyBrowser because Midori opens within a second or two anyway.

Claws also has a couple of really cool plugins, an RSS reader, and with vCalendar it can handle Outlook meeting requests.

Seamonkey1 just looks and feels old and unappealing, IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 12:30    Post subject:  

I have SM2, Firefox, and Midori on my 4.3.2 V3 frugal. I reckon I use Midori 95% of the time as the exact same fonts at the exact same size are easier to read as rendered in Midori as opposed to the other two browsers. The problems I have found are disappearing scroll bars sometimes, the odd rare crash when using the back button, no 'waiting for' message in the status bar, no notifications of completed downloads (libnotify? compiled without?) and the odd site that just does not work quite right, but hey, all browsers have those. None of these is critical for me.
Start up time is too quick to measure Smile and it does not fill my save file.

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 12:58    Post subject:  

You're so kind to change that to DELL DUDE. Here's the files. I should have added the -a1 to _44, but I'm sure the sames are obvious enough. Thanks a lot for looking into this. I could only put one at a time, so I plunked them into a single file - I hope that's OK - I contemplated several compression schemes, but I'm sure there's a better way.

Also, at the risk of diluting this response, I too vote for Midori (not specifically, but anything faster than FireFox) - Thanks again, Kurt
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 13:36    Post subject:  

Technosaurus

01micko wrote:
DuDE-0.1 was (partially) dependent on SM but DuDE-0.2 is not
Please note the file 'pinstall.sh'. It scans the system for installed browser, wordprocessor.....

When using DuDE as the preinstalled desktop, you should update /root/.stardust/db_apps_used and /root/.stardust/trays/Utility(.rc) to reflect what's the default apps in the system.

Also note that pinstall.sh changes the settings of the rox menu. '<Option name=\"menu_quick\">1</Option>' must be set by hand in /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/Options


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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 14:47    Post subject:  

@zigbert - thanks, thats exactly what I neeed to know

@dell dude - I'll take a look tonight and see if modules themselves are missing or if something just needs updated. btw you can try my zdrv cutter utility to build a set of drivers for your hardware that you can use on any puplet - it is now integrated into pup'n-go

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 16:35    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:

Seamonkey-1.1.19 ~10MB
last of the 1.X legacy, but still a good choice for now

Firefox-3 + Sylpheed ~10.5MB (no small html viewer +~.5MB)
Works on more sites without having to reset the user agent string. No html emails in Sylpheed except as attachments (could be + or - depending on the user ?)

Seamonkey-2.X ~12MB (no small html viewer +~.5MB)
problems with mail attachments

Midori + Clawsmail including gnutls & html viewer plugin ~8MB (including webkit and other dependencies)
downfalls - needs flash9 or additional mozilla libs - previously had problems resolving https, but webkit would provide a future port for the Puppy Browser since vala has good webkit bindings

Opera - good but proprietary and much larger now unless someone got permission to localize it and have unite as a separate package

... It appears that Seamonkey1 is likely the best choice for the 4.4 series, but Midori/webkit may be the way to go in the future, however it only takes a few minutes for me to crank out a firefox build - so why not?... over 25% (est.) of those who downloaded the last iso ended up downloading the firefox pet anyways (unfortunately I would need to rebuild Midori and all of its dependencies, because I'm not quite happy with the last build)

Well if your using a old version of Seamonkey 1 series and saying the latest version of Firefox doesn't have a small browsers really thats like comparing apples and diamonds, lol
What about Firefox 2.20? its newer than seamonkey 1 series, has more security updates and the small browsers still work with it.
Plus only a small amount of people actually use the small browsers anyways, FF any version can do CUPS, etc. But hey go with your gut feelings Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 16:51    Post subject:  

Been messin' with 4.4 all evening. It really is astonishingly good. Glad I got into Stardust though or I would have been a little lost at first. Can we have Ttuuxxx's pretty Blinky and Jemimah's pretty Vattery please?
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Apr 2010, 16:56    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
What about Firefox 2.20? its newer than seamonkey 1 series, has more security updates and the small browsers still work with it.


I think YouTube is now refusing to work on Firefox 2. At least that's what my husband says - he had me upgrade him from FireDog to Firefox 3.6 last week because of it.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Apr 2010, 10:17    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
What about Firefox 2.20? its newer than seamonkey 1 series, has more security updates and the small browsers still work with it.


I think YouTube is now refusing to work on Firefox 2. At least that's what my husband says - he had me upgrade him from FireDog to Firefox 3.6 last week because of it.


hmmm about 2 weeks ago I had Firepup running which is based on Firefox 1.5, and when I went to youtube it gave a message that I should upgrade, but then it gave you a option to try it anyways and it still worked just fine. Just a extra nag screen.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Apr 2010, 10:31    Post subject:  

DaveS wrote:
Been messin' with 4.4 all evening. It really is astonishingly good. Glad I got into Stardust though or I would have been a little lost at first. Can we have Ttuuxxx's pretty Blinky and Jemimah's pretty Vattery please?


Here's the blinky sources you requested
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Apr 2010, 13:07    Post subject:  

Is there a devx for 4.4? Thanks.
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