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glenco

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PostPosted: Sun 23 May 2010, 12:51    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote
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I just figured at the time of my previous post is that puppy 5 is out and that the current users of series 4 would be happy with that, If not I'll continue 4.3.2 and also 2.14X since that release is almost at cult status

ttuuxxx
Yes, puppy 5 has gained a lot of attention, but I feel that a lot of old puppy users will find that the bloat of 5 has also taken it's toll on older CPU's. After waiting for an RC of 5 and spending almost 7 hours downloading it(dialup), I fine that all win-modem support has been dumped :p.
I have a feeling like as time goes by many more people will jump off the puppy-Lucid bandwagon when it become clearer that puppy 5 is not a Ubuntu fork and most Ubuntu packages in it's repositories won't run in puppy.

RANT: A lot of time and effort went into puppy 2.* plus to gain win-modem support and to abandon it just for a small amount of Ubuntu binary compatability is just plain ludicrous.
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Gurglin

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PostPosted: Sun 23 May 2010, 13:33    Post_subject:  

glenco wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote
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I just figured at the time of my previous post is that puppy 5 is out and that the current users of series 4 would be happy with that, If not I'll continue 4.3.2 and also 2.14X since that release is almost at cult status

ttuuxxx
Yes, puppy 5 has gained a lot of attention, but I feel that a lot of old puppy users will find that the bloat of 5 has also taken it's toll on older CPU's. After waiting for an RC of 5 and spending almost 7 hours downloading it(dialup), I fine that all win-modem support has been dumped :p.
I have a feeling like as time goes by many more people will jump off the puppy-Lucid bandwagon when it become clearer that puppy 5 is not a Ubuntu fork and most Ubuntu packages in it's repositories won't run in puppy.

RANT: A lot of time and effort went into puppy 2.* plus to gain win-modem support and to abandon it just for a small amount of Ubuntu binary compatability is just plain ludicrous.


Glenco, I am completely with you. Moreover in my opinion LuPu must not be launched as Puppy 5, but as LuPu 1 (like it was done with Quirky) as a bridging project between Puppy and Ubuntu.

In the way things run, I fear the work of the guys working for 4.3.2 and 4.4 was disrespected, because considering ttuuxxx dedication and work puppy 4.3.2. could be 4.4 while technosaurus's puppy 4.4 could easily turn into Puppy 5, the ONLY official release branded as a PUPPY OS.
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FlyingRedGoat

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PostPosted: Mon 24 May 2010, 17:13    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
I'm not sure, I don't have the spare time like I once did plus I'm fighting a head cold, My fulltime job should be finished in 2-3 weeks maybe sooner, Then I'll have lots of free time to work on this, Plus puppy 5.0 is out so I'm not sure if there is any support for 4 series anymore, How does it compare to 5 series? I'm personally put off the the size of series 5, 130MB is way too large in my books for a puppy release, It wasn't that long ago when we were complaining about going to 100MB.
ttuuxxx


Don't kill yourself. I would like 4.32 if you can, but you do have a life. I appreciate what you've done, and even if I want more, you've done all that is fair (and more).

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runtt21


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PostPosted: Mon 24 May 2010, 21:38    Post_subject:  

I can hardly wait for you to finish this one ttuuxxx!!! Remember what we did to your 4.31.1 ?? Built Macpup Foxy 3 and that bad boy made it to #2 at DW higher than both puppy 5 and quirky.I am not saying anything bad about either of them.I like them both. I just want you to keep your chin up. So get xvesa fixed and let go !!!! ( Opera 2.0 also made it to #2 btw).
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nubc


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PostPosted: Mon 24 May 2010, 22:03    Post_subject:  

I appreciate your efforts ttuuxxx, and for me Puppy 4.3.2 is the official Puppy, so please continue your good work. Some of us are counting on you, so take care and finish when you can.

Thanks.
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wuwei


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PostPosted: Wed 26 May 2010, 16:54    Post_subject:  

Hi ttuuxxx
count my vote for a continued/finished 432, too.

Despite Lupu and Quirky, 432v3 is still my main Puppy.
And there is a very good reason for it:

Internet connectivity

I don't know what happened on the way from 4 series to 5 and Quirky. But it is impossible to maintain a pppoe connection during long inactive periods and through reboots. In Lupu I wrote a crude script as workaround, but Quirky is just stubborn and won't keep the connection.
Here in 432 it is just making a symlink from /usr/sbin/pppoe-start_shell to /root/Startup; and it works.

The only thing that 432 can benefit from Quirky is the multimedia versatility. Barry got a lot more video codecs running in Gxine now, than any other Puppy.

So, if time is not your bottleneck, please do continue to develop 432 and 214x for older hardware.
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IsleVegan

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PostPosted: Wed 26 May 2010, 18:16    Post_subject: latest suite of puppy OSs after 4.3.1 do not work
Sub_title: using external vga display with dead laptop display
 

This old laptop's built-in display died and the only official puppy OS that works on it is 4.3.1 and 4.2.1. I have tried the latest version of knoppix and various Ubuntu versions and they all turn off the external display and do not respond to the Fn-F5 key to turn on the external display.

I hope that any future versions will still work with this computer as it is. I'm using 4.3.1 quite happily now.

Thanks for the good work. An updated and auto-updating web browser would be nice, though! Smile

Aloha
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Snail

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PostPosted: Wed 26 May 2010, 22:08    Post_subject: Yes Please!  

ttuuxx if you are really keen on coming back to 432 it'd be the best news I've had in puppy since I downloaded 432V3! A stable bugfix of 431 with the upgraded Seamonkey is IMHO the best possible Puppy at this time, at least for some of us. As your 2.14 has shown, it is not necessarily the highest numbered version that is the best for everybody.
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abushcrafter


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PostPosted: Thu 27 May 2010, 12:39    Post_subject: Update  

Puppy Linux Discussion Forum :: View topic - Pprocess 2.0 - Process manager
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Gurglin

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PostPosted: Fri 28 May 2010, 11:27    Post_subject:
Sub_title: fwiw
 

HI f00,

Sorry for the belated response

`f00 wrote:
4) sounds like the pupX 'screensaver' kicking in - normally blanks the screen after like 10 min (600 sec) of inactivity. Puppy is green by default (and to save laptop batts)


I fully agree on blanking the screen for sparing energy, that is why I mentioned the malfunctioning of the screensaver. After going to hibernation the monitor remains blank for a couple of minutes, for then starting again without any human intervention! Confused

`f00 wrote:
off-the-cuff - Xvesa would be wonderful for a 'just works' (if it does or can be made to..)
having a simple x-display is a good thing Smile


I think Xvesa is NECESSARY for a distro targeting old PCs

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James C


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PostPosted: Sun 30 May 2010, 01:29    Post_subject:  

Still using this as my main OS every day and the only major "bug" that comes to mind is the fact that xvesa doesn't work.Everything else seems pretty solid. Smile
I know one user was having troubles with Abiword, but it works fine here and I couldn't duplicate the problems.Hopefully you'll find the time to get this finished so we can have one last solid 4 series release. Smile
My install is working fine though so whatever you choose is good here. Smile
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Gurglin

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PostPosted: Sun 30 May 2010, 11:25    Post_subject: An idea for maximizing the impact of your work  

ttuuxxx,

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to release 4.3.2 and 2.14X not just as updates of legacy (which might be interpreted as obsolete) 4 and 2 series, but almost as they were new distros.

As an example, instead of Puppy 4.3.2 and Puppy 2.14X you could call them T4X and T2X, highlighting for each of them which are the main characteristics and target PC specificities for preferring them to LuPu and Quirky. For instance, the 4X series has a good compatibility with WinModems, capital dispersed in later releases.

Just add a different window manager or change a bit the desktop outlook (like you already did in the past with your Puppies), and that is it!

You and Barry should also consider that in such a case the potential impact and visibility on distrowatch would be higher than merely launching updates of versions which (at the eyes of a non-puppy users) are already old at their birth.

I would have a chat with Barry on this matter, if I were you...

Again, it is just an idea...

BTW, it looks there was somebody else who already launched Puppy 4.3.2...

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tlchost

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PostPosted: Sun 30 May 2010, 15:58    Post_subject: Re: An idea for maximizing the impact of your work  

Gurglin wrote:

BTW, it looks there was somebody else who already launched Puppy 4.3.2...


Yep...and it works quite well.....

Thom
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DaveS


Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Mon 31 May 2010, 06:09    Post_subject:  

Can anyone explain why gnumeric cant open its own files in this release? Terminal gives this error:
Code:
gnumeric: symbol lookup error: gnumeric: undefined symbol: gsf_xml_probe


Bit of a showstopper Smile

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jpeps

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PostPosted: Mon 31 May 2010, 09:44    Post_subject:  

DaveS wrote:
Can anyone explain why gnumeric cant open its own files in this release? Terminal gives this error:
Code:
gnumeric: symbol lookup error: gnumeric: undefined symbol: gsf_xml_probe


Bit of a showstopper Smile


I posted libgsf-1.14.18-i486.pet on page 16 that solves the problem
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