lupu-115:
I installed fresh with no pupsave.
I then blew it on sfs-linker and did not use puppy package manager to remove it.
Deleted pupsave and started again.
ran xorgwizard.
installed sfsinstaller.
used it to install kernel source and devx.
tried my steps from before to install factory nvidia package.
Failed with not being able to find kernel version.
exited lupu115 and rebooted to another puppy version.
deleted lupu115 pupsave.
copied over lupu114 pupsave that had Nvidia factory pkg working
Booted Puppy 115.
Now for the interesting part.
My Nvidia factory pkg I had installed stayed and worked.
But.... the sfslinker that I had never installed in lupu-114 showed up on the desktop and also in Puppy Package manager.
That was a strange one to say the least.
Lucid Puppy 5.0.1 - 24 May 2010
I had a bad moment with lupu-115 and my installation of the factory driver for my Nvidia card.
I assumed it was working since nvidia-settings was displaying info.
I was wrong.
I checked /etc/X11/xorg.conf with an editor and it showed vesa as the driver for my video card.
That got me curious so I opened a terminal and did "lsmod".
The nvidia driver was shown as being loaded.
So I then typed in "nvidia-xorg" .
That wrote the correct settings to the xorg.conf file.
I restarted X and checked again and my video card driver was shown as "nvidia"
So I am back on track now.
But I do have a quick question concerning the final version when it appears.
Will I be able to use my existing lupu pupsave file with it?
I ask this since the version number will most likely be changed again.
But this time, to 5 in the final version.
At least that is what I assume.
Or will Pwidgets display a version of 100 something?
I assumed it was working since nvidia-settings was displaying info.
I was wrong.
I checked /etc/X11/xorg.conf with an editor and it showed vesa as the driver for my video card.
That got me curious so I opened a terminal and did "lsmod".
The nvidia driver was shown as being loaded.
So I then typed in "nvidia-xorg" .
That wrote the correct settings to the xorg.conf file.
I restarted X and checked again and my video card driver was shown as "nvidia"
So I am back on track now.
But I do have a quick question concerning the final version when it appears.
Will I be able to use my existing lupu pupsave file with it?
I ask this since the version number will most likely be changed again.
But this time, to 5 in the final version.
At least that is what I assume.
Or will Pwidgets display a version of 100 something?
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Um, I guess I should have said "during initial pfix=ram session"? I booted pfix=ram, got JWM, took screenshot of drive icons, installed IceWM, exited to prompt, and ran "xwin icewm," all before I rebooted with no pfix=ram.playdayz wrote:How did you boot to Icewm on a pfix=ram boot in Lucid Pup 115?Drive icons still misaligned in both JWM and IceWM on initial pfix=ram boot
It's stupid to use inferior software for ideological reasons.
--Linus Torvalds
--Linus Torvalds
Something a bit serious is going on wit the icon bug.
I disabled the 'filthy fix' and made a save, sure enough the icon positions were distorted, the cd icon next to the floppy icon.
I will attach a screenshot that shows I have an ntfs partition! Now I deleted windows and reformatted my harddrive nearly 2 years ago. No chance that it could be ntfs! But the weirder thing is on the mousover of that icon I get the true reading of the drive and size.
but more 
.Hmm..
I'm sure Beem's bug with no sizes is related. All the action occurs in a script /sbin/pup_event_frontend_d . Another weird thing is the Y axis postion reported for a couple of my icons.. over 900, but hang on, my screen is only 1360x768.., minus a bit for the jwm tray.
Perhaps the only thing I can do is extend the 'fix' so that it works when a major event takes place, like if an sfs is loaded or unloaded, or a new window manager added. I can detect the changes being made in the scripts in /etc/rc.d and /etc/windowmanager . It's kind of a work-around-around, which really, is unsatisfactory but possibly acceptable.
Cheers
I disabled the 'filthy fix' and made a save, sure enough the icon positions were distorted, the cd icon next to the floppy icon.
I will attach a screenshot that shows I have an ntfs partition! Now I deleted windows and reformatted my harddrive nearly 2 years ago. No chance that it could be ntfs! But the weirder thing is on the mousover of that icon I get the true reading of the drive and size.
but more .Hmm..I'm sure Beem's bug with no sizes is related. All the action occurs in a script /sbin/pup_event_frontend_d . Another weird thing is the Y axis postion reported for a couple of my icons.. over 900, but hang on, my screen is only 1360x768.., minus a bit for the jwm tray.
Perhaps the only thing I can do is extend the 'fix' so that it works when a major event takes place, like if an sfs is loaded or unloaded, or a new window manager added. I can detect the changes being made in the scripts in /etc/rc.d and /etc/windowmanager . It's kind of a work-around-around, which really, is unsatisfactory but possibly acceptable.
Cheers
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1. Installed skype-2.0.0.72 and ran it, and the following error was displayed:
/usr/bin/skype: line 3: ./skype: input/output error
2. Restored copy of lupusave file made just prior to the installation of skype, so skype is now no longer an included package.
3. How best to upgrade lupu-114 to lupu-115?
Will this use the lupu-114 lupusave file?
1. Installed skype-2.0.0.72 and ran it, and the following error was displayed:
/usr/bin/skype: line 3: ./skype: input/output error
2. Restored copy of lupusave file made just prior to the installation of skype, so skype is now no longer an included package.
3. How best to upgrade lupu-114 to lupu-115?
Will this use the lupu-114 lupusave file?
It would make interesting reading to look at the statistics regarding which browser gets downloaded the most via Lupu's browser installer system.
Would it be possible to implement a counter on the server from which these browser pets get downloaded?
Would it be possible to implement a counter on the server from which these browser pets get downloaded?
Life is too short to spend it in front of a computer
Sylvander..Sylvander wrote:lupu-114
1. Installed skype-2.0.0.72 and ran it, and the following error was displayed:
/usr/bin/skype: line 3: ./skype: input/output error
2. Restored copy of lupusave file made just prior to the installation of skype, so skype is now no longer an included package.
3. How best to upgrade lupu-114 to lupu-115?
Will this use the lupu-114 lupusave file?
Probably better to use the sfs I made, a later version, but if you don't want to use an sfs there is a sfs2pet program around somewhere, sorry not to be of more help.
In short, no! Simply because in "preferences" in Quickpet you can change the repo you download from.. I use one of the 2 Australian mirrors included and get a browser in 10 seconds!tronkel wrote:It would make interesting reading to look at the statistics regarding which browser gets downloaded the most via Lupu's browser installer system.
Would it be possible to implement a counter on the server from which these browser pets get downloaded?
Cheers
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1. Used the instructions here to manually install skype-2.1.0.81 = Static binary tar.bz2 with Qt
[This link will probably take 3 attempts to display properly]
Was [almost] easy to do and works just fine.
(a) Initially downloded the tar.bz2 file to /00 [my download folder at the top of the file hierarchy].
(b) [After a couple of false starts..] Extracted to /root/my-applications, which worked fine, because it automatically makes its own folder in there named skype_static-2.1.0.81.
(c) The instruction to extract to /root/my-applications/skype is an error in my opinion.
Am I right or wrong?
Sorry 01micko, I typed this as you typed yours, and you got in 1st.
I guess I'll stick with what I did 2nd time around since it works.
I'd wanted to try using SFS files, but not yet ready to do that; still trying to understand it, and how to apply.
e.g. My "Home" partitions on various Flash Drives [2-off=1GB, 4GB, 8GB] don't have any spare room as presently partitioned.
1. Used the instructions here to manually install skype-2.1.0.81 = Static binary tar.bz2 with Qt
[This link will probably take 3 attempts to display properly]
Was [almost] easy to do and works just fine.
(a) Initially downloded the tar.bz2 file to /00 [my download folder at the top of the file hierarchy].
(b) [After a couple of false starts..] Extracted to /root/my-applications, which worked fine, because it automatically makes its own folder in there named skype_static-2.1.0.81.
(c) The instruction to extract to /root/my-applications/skype is an error in my opinion.
Am I right or wrong?
Sorry 01micko, I typed this as you typed yours, and you got in 1st.
I guess I'll stick with what I did 2nd time around since it works.
I'd wanted to try using SFS files, but not yet ready to do that; still trying to understand it, and how to apply.
e.g. My "Home" partitions on various Flash Drives [2-off=1GB, 4GB, 8GB] don't have any spare room as presently partitioned.
I maybe should not have downloaded that skype while not having a save file created yet.
Wrong version for Quirky 100 it told me. I try later today now I will test L115 and tell result within some 5 minutes.
Took longer. Fail to get nvidia going. Omelette taks 10 sec instead of 5.
Graphics split up the screen in hundreds of lines when I scroll fast.
Streaming CNN video are jerky and choppy.
Radio local here sr.se I fail to get going. What pet does one need to install for that?
I love the quickpet choice thing sadly it is not in quirky that works with graphics and SNS for me.
Could one import the quickpet choice in Quirky?
I go back to Q1 now. Tell me how to get choice of browser through quickpet in that one too!
Wrong version for Quirky 100 it told me. I try later today now I will test L115 and tell result within some 5 minutes.
Took longer. Fail to get nvidia going. Omelette taks 10 sec instead of 5.
Graphics split up the screen in hundreds of lines when I scroll fast.
Streaming CNN video are jerky and choppy.
Radio local here sr.se I fail to get going. What pet does one need to install for that?
I love the quickpet choice thing sadly it is not in quirky that works with graphics and SNS for me.
Could one import the quickpet choice in Quirky?
I go back to Q1 now. Tell me how to get choice of browser through quickpet in that one too!
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though
not an ideal solution though
Nooby, I think the thing to do would be to ask 01micko to package up a pet. It should be easily doable, but he would know. But as a favor, please do not expect it until after Lucid Pup is released.I love the quickpet choice thing sadly it is not in quirky that works with graphics and SNS for me.
Could one import the quickpet choice in Quirky?
Thanks.Thanks playdays!
Do you by any chance remember how we repaired both Puppy431std and all the quirkies and lupies by changing a line of text in some file using CLI
it had to do with Simple Network Setup and it repaired that one lose connection with internet each thirty minutes or so.
What search word could help me find those posts? That way I could use Lupu
and another thing. Which media player plugin is suppose to work with radio?
Q1 works with radio when I did gxine in PPM while Lupu doesn't have gxine
Do you by any chance remember how we repaired both Puppy431std and all the quirkies and lupies by changing a line of text in some file using CLI
it had to do with Simple Network Setup and it repaired that one lose connection with internet each thirty minutes or so.
What search word could help me find those posts? That way I could use Lupu
and another thing. Which media player plugin is suppose to work with radio?
Q1 works with radio when I did gxine in PPM while Lupu doesn't have gxine
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though
not an ideal solution though
Here is my contribution to the "drive icon issue." I have been running around the house booting all 5 of my test computers with 115 on CD. Every time, the icons are in good order when the machine boots directly to the desktop. I am using pfix=ram on all tests. Anyone who tests should do that, because we do not care about updating at this time--just 115 on its own without anything that might be an artifact of a previous version. The icons are in good order even when the resolution needs to be changed. OK. If I use the "Keyboard and Video Resolution Setter" to change resolution then when I get back to the desktop the resolution is what I want, but the icons are on top of each other.
That ought to be a good clue--what is different? Unfortunately from the debugging standpoint, there is a lot different.
Let us keep perspective. If my findings are right then the icons will be good on first boot for everyone. Plus, there is no question of data loss here. It is purely fit and finish. We have two more versions, at least, so with our combined brain power......we ought to be able to make a big mess of things.
But thank goodness we have such an interesting bug. I was afraid we would not have anything left that Barry might find to be worth his time.
I put everything but the Out house sink on this one.
That ought to be a good clue--what is different? Unfortunately from the debugging standpoint, there is a lot different.
Let us keep perspective. If my findings are right then the icons will be good on first boot for everyone. Plus, there is no question of data loss here. It is purely fit and finish. We have two more versions, at least, so with our combined brain power......we ought to be able to make a big mess of things.
But thank goodness we have such an interesting bug. I was afraid we would not have anything left that Barry might find to be worth his time.
I put everything but the Out house sink on this one.
Jim19111. Abiword still prints a black box instead of a photo when printing to CUP-PDF. See attached desktop photo which compares file created with dpup484 and lupu115.
2. Unable to install esword with the wine provided in "Popular pets". Did not try it with anything else.
Abiword--pdf--black boxes might be one we let slide, since Print to File will print a good pdf page. And I think 8-bit said that Cups_pdf works in some circumstances.
Wine. I just uploaded wine 1.1.43 by green_dome from the forum as one of the Quickpet programs--it should show up in 116 Friday. it has a lot of extras to contribute to usability. I hope it works for esword.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 65&t=53675
Oh and Jim, you have the icon misplacement right? is that when you boot first time pfix=ram directly to a desktop, or is it after you change the resolution? Thanks.
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A distinct icon for scsi drives would be nice
A distinct icon for genuine scsi drives would be nice. For example, this is Lupu-008 (113 looks identical, except I have not yet given it the desktop icons for Opera and Geany):
http://i44.tinypic.com/207n89g.jpg
and this is Lupu-008 with the kernel recompiled to include scsi support:
http://i39.tinypic.com/b6vy9c.jpg
The latter shows my four scsi drives all right, but misrepresents them as usb drives.
http://i44.tinypic.com/207n89g.jpg
and this is Lupu-008 with the kernel recompiled to include scsi support:
http://i39.tinypic.com/b6vy9c.jpg
The latter shows my four scsi drives all right, but misrepresents them as usb drives.
CUPS-PDF prints text fine, just fails on graphics. OpenOffice using CUPS-PDF to print to a file rather than a printer has the same problem with graphics. I doubt that many users will be affected by leaving that bug in for the time being.playdayz wrote:Abiword--pdf--black boxes might be one we let slide, since Print to File will print a good pdf page. Adn I think 8-bit said that Cups_pdf works in some circumstances.
Green-dome's wine pet is a good choice.
As you've indicated, the drive icons are fine on initial auto boot. On my system, after a save file is created, and changes are made (ie. sfs added) to bootup is when they will misalign. Then it's a matter of using the erase/redraw tick box in the drive icons manager then restartX to correct the alignment.
Great job clearing so many problems this quickly.
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Maybe, maybe not. There are issues to be solved before this kernel is ready for canine consumption. scsi support isn't all I gave it, I also made it realtime preemption and switched-on the OLPC support.playdayz wrote:SHS, I hope we can experiment with that kernel as soon as we get LP out the door. We could offer it as a straight replacement couldn't we, as a pet?
Also it was not compiled using the same gcc as Barry compiled it with, rather I compiled it using the Ubuntu 4.4.3 gcc (in other words, I compiled it on Lucid-008 using its own devx).
The benefit of compiling the kernel with the Lucid devx, and then turning it into a .pet, and then woof-building a Lucid around that, is that the resulting Lucid can then compile the nVidia drivers without resorting to any tricks beyond 'make prepare'.
The unbenefit, which may or may not stem from either the rt preemption or the gcc version or both, is that some Puppy mainstays refuse to work with this kernel, most notably PNethood. I am sleuthing this.
Also, like all other 2.6.33.2 Puppy kernels, it does not drive my sound card, as reported here.