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01micko


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 09:17    Post subject:  

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But you could use the power lines in your house to run ethernet over it.
I suppose you know about that solution.

Yes, know about, but not much else... probably not feasible since the power to my shed is via an extension lead from the main house. I suppose ndiswrapper will be fixed in a later version. Just out of interest.. what kernel does Ubuntu Lucid use , anyone know?
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Didn't realize it immediately, but the icon backgrounds aren't transparant, but black.
I remember something about 16-bit in xorg solved this, so I did run xorgwizard.

Yes .. narrowed down to a JWM issue.. Barry has mailed Joe Wing about this one, although, by all reports, latest xorg (7.5?) is still buggy, especially with Intel chipsets.. (kattman Wink )

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 09:34    Post subject:  

Code:
bash-3.00# uname -r
2.6.31.5
bash-3.00#


Oh you mean probably the real ubuntu. Rolling Eyes

I found this on Ubuntu's site
Code:
Ubuntu 9.10:
 linux-image-2.6.31-19-386 2.6.31-19.56

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 10:11    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
Shocked 92MB
dont think i'll be able to get to the icafe early enough too avoid the screaming brats tomorrow so looks like monday early.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 11:04    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
I noticed a fellow on the Karmic thread had trouble with Amarok. I assume that what you are doing is to go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for the program files and dependencies, download them, and then install the debs?
I used dejan555's excellent Amarok-1.4.10.sfs.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 16:09    Post subject:  

Thanks to 01micko for wireless and luck for Cups, both of those are working in Lucid Puppy 002.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 17:47    Post subject:  

Ho ho, are we allowed to follow at that speed? Wink
Downloading now.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 18:58    Post subject:  

Hi playdayz,

You are the fast one! Surprised CUPS worked for my HP C5280 fine. You were so quick, that I didn't bother to create a new pupsave, The update went smoothly and everything that I'd added is working fine.

Incidently, I've installed this on an ext4 partition and will be converting the pupsave to 3fs and editing the initrd.gz file so that it will properly mount. Several pups are already setup for using 3fs save files that work fine with the journaling capabilities of ext3/4. Kirk's Fatdog 64 defaults to 3fs. Tazoc's Lighthouse allows a choice upon save of 2fs or 3fs. There may be others. Please consider adding this capability.

Thanks,
Jim Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 19:44    Post subject:  

jim1911, Would it be possible to write brief instructions about how to do this. I would personally want to try it. It might be something Barry would consider for inclusion in Puppy 5.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 20:01    Post subject: Wireless configuration not persistent between boots.  

For the good order, I booted with pfix=ram.
Configures the wireless connection, which worked file. (SNS)
Created another, new, save file.
Rebooted.

The network configuration wasn't persistent between the boot.
Don't think this is a surprise, as quirky has the same quirk.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 20:35    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
jim1911, Would it be possible to write brief instructions about how to do this. I would personally want to try it. It might be something Barry would consider for inclusion in Puppy 5.
A better source of information is to PM kirk and tazoc. As I stated Kirk's Fatdog 64 creates a pupsave.3fs file by default and Tazoc's Lighthouse 443Gu1 gives a choice. I don't know how their scripts are set up to accomplish that for the save files. Also they have to modify the init file in intrd.gz in order for the save file to mount properly.

This is how I accomplish the change manually thanks to Mikeb's help.

1. Converting ext2 files,
To alter an existing (backed up) pupsave use
Code:
tune2fs -j /path/to/pup_save.2fs

Then rename to .3fs.

2. When booted, running the command mount should show it mounted as 3fs. To accomplish this, the init file in initrd.gz needs to be edited so that the 3fs save file properly boots.

3. This procedure shows how to unpack and repack initrd.gz ( the Pizzasgood way, I think ) Place the initrd.gz file that is to be edited in a temp directory.

a. Unpack
cd to temp directory containing initrd.gz then execute
Code:
mkdir initrd-tree
cd initrd-tree/
zcat ../initrd.gz | cpio -i -d

b. Modifying init ---Locate the init file that was unpacked and is now in the initrd-tree directory.
Search for ' -t ext2' - this will pick up the commands
where pup_save gets mounted as -t ext2 and you change it to -t ext3

c. Repack
cd again to initrd-tree then execute
Code:
rm ../initrd.gz
find . | cpio -o -H newc | gzip -9 > ../initrd.gz

I've followed this procedure with 431, 432, dpup, upup, Lighthouse (earlier releases), Stardust, Lucid 002, and others and found that in init, three lines like that need to be changed. All of the above I've run using a pupsave.3fs on ext3 and ext4 partitions with no problems.

Use mount command to confirm that the 3fs is mounted properly.

Thanks again for considering 3fs save files.
Jim

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 20:46    Post subject:  

Jim,

A certain moment I saw the tune2fs part and tried it but wasn't aware of the initrd change to make. So I suppose my trial wasn't effective.
I didn't go on further with it

Now you have done the initrd part, do you see an improvement?
Is the save file more stable now?
Performance improvement?

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 20:51    Post subject: You tube downloader.  

Didn't try it before.
When I paste a you tube url in the downloader window, and click download, the download window stays at finding hostname.

Was anybody able to download you tube video's?

EDIT
Oh well.
I forgot about that download window and some time later I saw it wasn't there anymore. But also the clip (a mpeg4) was downloaded and stored
I clicked on it to play.
The sound was ok, but there was no video.

A missing codec?

EDIT1
I just saw the codec needed is H264.

Would it be possible to include codecs like H264 and others as standard, so the installed players can benefit from them.
Specially as those codecs aren't available through the package manager.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 20:54    Post subject:  

Béèm wrote:
Now you have done the initrd part, do you see an improvement?
Is the save file more stable now? Performance improvement?
I'm convinced that 3fs is more stable than 2fs save files and to take advantage of the journaling capabilites of ext3 and ext4, it is essential.
Jim
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 21:28    Post subject:  

Jim1911 wrote:
Béèm wrote:
Now you have done the initrd part, do you see an improvement?
Is the save file more stable now? Performance improvement?
I'm convinced that 3fs is more stable than 2fs save files and to take advantage of the journaling capabilites of ext3 and ext4, it is essential.
Jim
Thank you.
The journaling aspect gives the stability I assume.
When I did my .3fs experience and not knowing of the initrd thing, it worked quite well, until the save got corrupted.
Probably normal then.

I'll try it once more.

Bernard

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar 2010, 21:43    Post subject:  

Hello Jim, Béèm, playdayz

Firstly, no immediate problems with 002, straight online.

I'm going to try an experiment. I will edit the initrd.gz with your tweak Jim and do a frugal to an ext3 partition.. then boot without a pupsave and see if it saves it as 3fs... then see if reboots ok. If the file is created as 3fs then it should probably work ok. I will take a thorough look at the init script just to see if there is anything that might trip up this experiment.

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