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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2006, 01:28    Post subject: Me like this idea  

drongo wrote:
spell it NewtrIX to make it sound more UNIXy (is that a new word?)


Sounds real good to me, but it reminds me of something..... hemmmmm. Question
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2006, 03:12    Post subject:  

Now you know why Puppy ran so fast - someone tried to "Neutrix" him
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Billwho?


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Location: still "In The Dog House" East Coast Oz Trialing 4.20

PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2006, 04:50    Post subject:  

softgun wrote:
PupTy "puppy to you" and "to" has the SOUND of "two" Wink


Not bad. How about

PuppyTooU Question

We could even use something similar for Puupy 4, if Barry gets that carried away!!. (PuppyForeU) Wink Gives the added meaning of being at the front.(right where Puppy is in my book) Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jan 2006, 05:54    Post subject: universal installer  

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I'm trying to get Puppy2 away from needing any menu (and subsequent pause) at bootup. Puppy2 tackles the problem the other way round, by booting up in ramdisk-only the first time you boot on a PC, then at shutdown you are asked if you want to create a personal storage file. If you anser yes, it will get created and automatically used next time you boot Puppy.
Yeah, simple, and it's working.


Brilliant.
I was never 100% happy with the boot menu adding valuable seconds on the Puppy Boot time - so this is good news

Expect a pre-alpha of Puppy Pitto (P2) soon - next few days hopefully Smile
(check 17 June News)
http://www.goosee.com/puppy/news.htm
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Note, I'm writing a "universal installer", a sneak preview will be available with the next pre-alpha release.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jan 2006, 12:57    Post subject:  

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I'm trying to get Puppy2 away from needing any menu (and subsequent pause) at bootup. Puppy2 tackles the problem the other way round, by booting up in ramdisk-only the first time you boot on a PC, then at shutdown you are asked if you want to create a personal storage file. If you anser yes, it will get created and automatically used next time you boot Puppy.
Yeah, simple, and it's working.



I think this would be better for new users, but I might miss the old boot menue.
Somtimes its nice to boot to ram only or to choose the harddrive partition / pupxxx file so that you can test somthing with a clean pupxxx.
Can we have it both ways? Maybe 3 seconds to hit a key and bring up the old boot menue? Or hold down a key while booting to bring up a menue?
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jan 2006, 19:52    Post subject:  

kirk wrote:
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I'm trying to get Puppy2 away from needing any menu (and subsequent pause) at bootup. Puppy2 tackles the problem the other way round, by booting up in ramdisk-only the first time you boot on a PC, then at shutdown you are asked if you want to create a personal storage file. If you anser yes, it will get created and automatically used next time you boot Puppy.
Yeah, simple, and it's working.



I think this would be better for new users, but I might miss the old boot menue.
Somtimes its nice to boot to ram only or to choose the harddrive partition / pupxxx file so that you can test somthing with a clean pupxxx.
Can we have it both ways? Maybe 3 seconds to hit a key and bring up the old boot menue? Or hold down a key while booting to bring up a menue?


You will still be able to have it both ways.

By the way, we will have to get used not to calling it a "pupxxx" file, as pup2 names the personal storage file "pup_save.3fs" -- a fixed name, no numbers in it.

Anyway, if you just rename pup_save.3fs to something else, then reboot, Puppy won't be able to find it, so will think you are doing a first-boot and will come up in RAM only.
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jan 2006, 20:17    Post subject: adding more loopbacks to kernel, Please  

After some googling I found the default loopback number around 8 for 2.4 series and I think 256 for 2.6 series. I would like to experiment with more squashes could you upgrade to ~250 loopbacks in the new kernel for one of the next beta releases Puppy2.
Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jan 2006, 22:03    Post subject:  

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Anyway, if you just rename pup_save.3fs to something else, then reboot, Puppy won't be able to find it, so will think you are doing a first-boot and will come up in RAM only.


Thanks Barry, I should have been able to figure that out!

With a fully R/W file system that you can compile in, I would think that schools would like Puppy. If you're learning to program and you screw something up on the system, you can just delete the pup_save.3fs and reboot. It's been a great learning tool for me to learn some Bash. I haven't used unix since SCO in 88'. I took a class in C many years ago (and forgot most of it) and had to pay about $80 for a compiler/developer tools kit. Free seems like a better price.

Thanks again for the great distro!
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2006, 16:50    Post subject: Puppy2 name.....  

As mentioned earlier, I also like Puppy2 - Greyhound. It suggests lean and fast. And it has a fun side but also sounds professional. Just my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Jan 2006, 00:48    Post subject:  

PupSafe for Pup2 announced (check 19 Jan 2006 News)
"Ah, but Puppy has PupSafe!"

http://www.puppylinux.com/news.htm
Cool

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Jan 2006, 01:39    Post subject:  

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sometime ago I came across a program that was able to monitor any directory and report if any file anywhere in that directory was modified

http://fileschanged.sourceforge.net/ ?
uses http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/

based on dnotify? inotify?

how big is something like tripwire?
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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2006, 07:25    Post subject: booting from USB  

Dan has very kindly sent me a key drive to test Puppy2
- thanks Dan Smile
It has 128 meg (the min) and comes with Puppy pre-pre alpha installed
- I know that because I am looking at the contents with MUT

My current computer can not boot from USB but I have access from one that can . . .

I do not seem able to boot . . .
Tried the usual BIOS settings - turned off everything except USB booting (it is recognizing the device)

I have a strange idea what it may be - gonna test that now - but open to suggestions?

I need Puppy2 - I need it NOW! Embarassed
. . . normal ranting is now resumed

Any ideas?

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb 2006, 04:17    Post subject:  

It was driving me crazy too and searched the web for any hint and found this site:

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Check your BIOS
Finally, you need to enable booting from a USB device in your computer’s BIOS. Don’t forget that you’ll need to shift it up the order of drives. It’s also worth checking to see what version of USB your BIOS supports booting from. Some versions only boot from a USB 1.1 device, so if you’ve shelled out on a USB 2.0 memory key, you could be disappointed. Check with your motherboard manufacturer if you need to know more.


oh well Crying or Very sadi guess i will have to wait for live cd version.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb 2006, 04:32    Post subject: Wakepup  

Do not despair young penguin Jedi
"there is another . . ."

I came across a floppy boot your USB thingee - type ojeemaflick
(not sure what it is yet - will try getting this to recognise the USB port)

May the Tux be with you

WKPUP11C.ZIP

will report back . . .

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb 2006, 10:39    Post subject: Re: Wakepup  

Lobster wrote:
Do not despair young penguin Jedi
"there is another . . ."

I came across a floppy boot your USB thingee - type ojeemaflick
(not sure what it is yet - will try getting this to recognise the USB port)

May the Tux be with you

WKPUP11C.ZIP

will report back . . .


can you please send me some of that medication you are on Laughing
@least you have FDD ,i have no FD or cd burner...............time to save some money for a new computer or maybe i will wait till they come up with futuristic computer that has no fdd,no hdd no cd or even the need for kb or mouse.just LCD touch screen and ports and it run whatever you want from usb.
oh wait,its already out there ,where did i plant that money tree Razz
i will wait for [u]Puppy Matrix[/i] (sugesstion for new name),i already have the right wallpaper for it:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/overlord59/img/wall%20tux%20matrix.jpg.

don't you just hated when pepole go off track Embarassed
sorry folks.
and now back to the original discussion already in progress.......
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