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pskin

Joined: 11 Dec 2009
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Dec 2009, 11:50    Post subject:  Puppy 4.3.1 for Gecko Edubook  

Hi Everyone,
I have remastered the official pup-431.iso to work with the Norhtec Gecko Edubook.
The file that I have uploaded is not the iso but an
xdelta3 file (about 11MB) , so in order to create the iso you will
need the program xdelta3 and a copy of the official pup-431.iso.
pskin
http://www.teradepot.com/ffuetzvl78sd/README-pup-431-edubook.txt.html
http://www.teradepot.com/mnf83fzva8ma/pup-431-edubook.xd3.html
http://www.teradepot.com/gtpl870v2ijw/pup-431-edubook.xd3.md5sum.txt.html

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aarf

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Dec 2009, 00:26    Post subject:  

Quote:
The file pup-431-edubook.xd3 is an xdelta3 patch file from the
official pup-431.iso
to pup-431-edubook.iso.

Using a copy of official pup-431.iso and the program xdelta3 you can easily reconstruct
pup-431-edubook.iso with the command:

xdelta3 -d -s pup-431.iso pup-431-edubook.delta



perhaps you can teach many people here how you did this. no more big iso downloads for small updates will be a very big plus. perhaps even the need for puplet will disappear to be replaced by an xdelta puplet file archive

PS: you need to update the read me to reflect the new file names as well.

eg
Code:
xdelta3 -d -s pup-431.iso pup-431-edubook.x3d
no?
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pskin

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Dec 2009, 09:32    Post subject:  

Quote:
PS: you need to update the read me to reflect the new file names as well.

Thanks for spotting that typo. I hope it did not cause any confusion. Fixed.

There is more on xdelta3 on Barry's blog:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=00752

Barry even wrote a gui for it, which is under "utilities" in the main menu of pup-431.
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=00753

Detailed explanations of xdelta3 can be found in these pages:
http://pupweb.org/wikka/XdeltA
http://code.google.com/p/xdelta/wiki/CommandLineSyntax

One thing to be careful about is that xdelta3 is version 3 of xdelta and the
file formats are incompatible with the old versions (and the command line
syntax is different).
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Dec 2009, 20:12    Post subject:  

pskin

" I have remastered the official pup-431.iso to work
with the Norhtec Gecko Edubook. "

Excellent Can Do attitude.

Thanks mate.................Chris.
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kevin bowers

Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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PostPosted: Sun 20 Dec 2009, 17:11    Post subject: Works well!  

Using pskin's step-by-step and delta file I now have a fully-functional Puppy install on my Edubook. As I suspected Puppy just leaves the other OSs I've tried on it in the dust.

Barry's GUI returned an error code when I tried it. Possibly it was the typo? I also found it necessary to type in the full path of the filenames:

# xdelta3 -d -s /mnt/sdb1/pup-431.iso /mnt/sdb1/pup-431-edubook.xd3

I had the files on a USB card mounted on /mnt/sdb1.

I have a glitch in the wireless driver that I haven't found yet. DHCP keeps returning a wrong IP address. Using Pwireless's "connect" button fixes it but it sometimes takes 2 or 3 tries. Also Blinky's top light stays lit almost constantly. A large download stopped in the middle but that may have been caused by something else. All in all it's just a minor annoyance for a major benefit!

Many thanks to pskin, Barry, and the Puppy team.

--Kevin

p.s. the command line should be one line, should not have a line break in it. --KB
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pskin

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PostPosted: Sun 20 Dec 2009, 20:40    Post subject:  

Kevin,
Thanks for testing.
Wireless.
I also had a slight problem with the wifi but found that by issuing the command
Code:
iwconfig ra0 essid <MY_ESSID>

before attempting DHCP, the connection worked every time. Maybe you can try that and if it works, put the command in a script in /root/Startup.

xdelta3.
I could be wrong but I think the gui version of xdelta3 looks for special suffices
such as .delta for the patch file. Unfortunately I didn't know about the gui until after
I uploaded.
( I had uploaded an earlier version of the file which had the .delta ending but was created
using an old version of xdelta, incompatible with xdelta3, so I had hoped to minimize
confusion by changing the suffix of the replacement. Rolling Eyes )
Anyway, try renaming the file if you want to use the gui.
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kevin bowers

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PostPosted: Sun 20 Dec 2009, 22:11    Post subject: Thanks again  

I'll surely try the iwconfig fix (probably next weekend). For now I'm quite happy to have Puppy up and running! I don't know when I might need the xdelta3 GUI again (or ever). My usual MO is using these machines, not configuring them, or occasionally repairing a sick one. I stand in awe of you programmers; the BASIC and Fortran I learned in college (never mind how long ago) seems like kindergarten stuff now.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate your sharing your efforts, both here and over at PlanetWatt (and where all else?) You're very generous with your time.

--Kevin
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kevin bowers

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Dec 2009, 20:16    Post subject: Alternative to iwconfig fix  

Sorry, I couldn't get the iwconfig essid fix to work with any sort of reliability, unless I did it manually after bootup was complete. Fooling around, though, I came up with this alternative which seems to work every time, and also should work automatically with any open network--you don't have to give it the essid:

1) put a link to /usr/local/autoconnect/run-ac.sh in /root/startup (just drag & drop, then click "link-relative").

Reboot now, and after bootup you can watch a pretty blue box connect. On my Edubook it takes 3 tries to do it; on a P4 it gets it the first time and then tries twice more to make sure. Then it puts up a yellow AC-status box, telling you signal strength and informing you that if you close that box it will disconnect. I didn't like that part so:

2) Open /usr/local/autoconnect/run-ac.sh as text. Comment out the last 2 lines (Put a # sign at the beginning). As so:
#rxvt -bg green -geometry43X5 -e ./AC_status.sh
#ifconfig $INTERFACE down

Now it boots and connects, the blue box goes away and you're ready to rock!

Hope this saves somebody the hours I spent cussing at the cute little white box!

--Kevin
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judland

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jan 2010, 22:30    Post subject:  

I just tried this build on my new Edubook, but I still couldn't get any sound from the sound chip.

I followed all of the instructions on creating the ISO, and it seemed to have worked as it was supposed to... eve the md5sum looked correct. I burned the new ISO to a CD and booted up the Edubook with it.

I got to my Puppy Desktop, but no sound. Have I missed something (is there a setting in the CMOS that I should have changed)?

I'll have to give it another go over the weekend.
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kevin bowers

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jan 2010, 08:56    Post subject: Sound problems?  

I had no problems with the sound, it "woofed" at me during the first bootup (as it finished configuring ALSA). I don't know of a BIOS setting that might make a difference, but there's a small text file on the "Drivers" CD that came with the Edubook that tells you how to set the BIOS to install XP; I used that for everything.
Couple of things to try: run through Puppy's ALSA sound wizard; maybe that's all it will take. Or just open a mixer GUI or alsamixer and make sure sound isn't muted.
Are you using the Edubook's internal speakers or headphones or?? You might have a problem with the external device. Have you tried any other OS? As far as I know the sound has been configured on Windows XP, wattOS (not yet on RC1 but beta3 works with a kernel fix), and Puppy 4.3.1.
I hope for your sake they didn't change the chipset on you; you might e-mail Norhtec to find that out.
Good luck and keep us posted,
Kevin
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judland

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jan 2010, 22:07    Post subject: Puppy Sound Problems  

Well, I e-mailed Norhtec and Michael replied to me. He recommended that I try using the Puppy ISO file found on their Deviceonchip.com website. So I did. Still no sound on my EduBook.

I burned the ISO from the Deviceonchip website to a CD twice, so I know I'm using the right image. I'm also sure the ISO file was downloaded correctly (here's the MD5SUM output I get: http://www.virtualsky.net/blogpics/my_pup_md5sum.txt )

I'm not sure if this matters or not, but when booting up Puppy, I noticed this error message I have not seen before. I'm not sure what "bad EIP" means. http://www.virtualsky.net/blogpics/P1000781.JPG

Also, when Puppy starts the Xsession and asks me to choose a keyboard configuration, I get the message "lp loaded but no devices could be found". Not sure what that means.

And just for more information, here's the printout from "lsmod" after Puppy boots up... http://www.virtualsky.net/blogpics/my_lsmod_out.txt

I don't know if any of this means anything, but that's where I'm at. For what ever reason, this Edubook does not have sound support, even though I'm told by everone - even the PC's maker - that this version of Puppy does have sound on the Edubook. Confused
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pskin

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jan 2010, 00:33    Post subject: Sound problems  

As you can tell from the md5sum, the iso you have downloaded from
deviceonchip.com is correct and exactly the same
as the one you created from the link at the top of this thread.

The messages about
bad EIP and
"lp loaded but no devices could be found"
appear also on my edubook, but my sound is working.

The lsmod output seems to show that some of the sound modules are not loaded.
Apparently, the kernel cannot find/load the modules at the critical time.

This is speculation, but I wonder if it is related to your method of booting.
I am assuming from your posts that you have an external CDrom drive from
which you are booting.

My suggestion is to install from the iso onto a usb memory stick (There are several ways to do this. I find the program UNETBOOTIN to be very convenient for this purpose.)
Then you can boot the usb stiick from one of the external usb ports (after
going into the SETUP /cmos to choose the boot device.)

Alternatively, if you have an SD card in the machine, you could try installing onto
that card and seeing if the sound works.

As I say, these are just guesses, but perhaps worth a try.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jan 2010, 08:11    Post subject:  

Thanks, pskin, yes I am trying to boot from an external CD drive.

I'll try what you suggest. Thank you!
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kevin bowers

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jan 2010, 08:38    Post subject: One more suggestion
Subject description: BIOS settings
 

In the Drivers CD that came with your Edubook is a text file that tells you how to set the BIOS to install Windows XP. I found that if I didn't have the USB speed correct it wouldn't boot some distros at all. Probably not your problem but...
--Kevin
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judland

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jan 2010, 10:27    Post subject:  

BINGO!

That was it... strangely enough. If I put the ISO onto a USB device and booted from that, I got sound.

Strange. I never had that problem before. But thank you for the suggestion! I'll be sure to mention this little tid-bit in my review of the Edubook (in case others experience the same issue)

Thanks again! Very Happy
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