Hansamben - 412 - Kids Linux distro based on Puppy Linux 412

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#31 Post by sidders »

Here you go

Abiword_format

m$-doc-format

Hopefully all the formatting is still there, there wasnt a lot anyway.

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#32 Post by Puppyt »

Thanks sidders - I was just about to post too on mrtimo's request, but you beat me to it. I should have been clearer in my original request for documentation in RTF format etc - if users can open the ABW format then they're likely already to be on the open-source bandwagon, and hence more likely to have experience testing things peripheral to the MicroSoft universe. Documentation in RTF or even DOC nowadays would be more encouraging for your burgeoning audience who might be exploring Linux for the first time, I think. (The DOC opens fine in TextMaker, by the way - you've done good work there.)
Delayed on giving feedback on the Oz flavour of your LiveCD offering, I'm afraid,

Wishing you, your partner and your 3 muses H, S and B a very happy Christmas!

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#33 Post by zenfunk »

Sorry for bringing this up, but can you please stop using .doc format? While not many people can use .abw format (thanks for nothing microsoft), most of them can read doc format on their windows boxes. The reason they can't read abw files is because microsoft didn't implement this open sourced, free for all (read: easy to support) format . On the other hand did the MS monopoly force the open source community to reverse engineer the proprietary .doc format to be able to support it in their own applications, just because it is so widespread.
I don't think a "do to them what they did to us" attitude gets us anywhere. So using abw format, a format hardly anyone can read is not helpful for getting the info to the users.

On the other hand we should stop locking people in proprietary file formats, although they are very widely supported.

BTW, .rtf is a MS format too, but since it is a markup language (like html) it is rather easy to implement by other developers and is very whidespread. Nevertheless, rtf renders quite differently in various word processors and legally it is not an official standard (ISO etc.) IMHO.

I think textfiles, pdf or html format are suited best for getting a message across and can be opened by most users nowadays.

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#34 Post by mrtimo »

Ok, I downloaded the 269mb iso.

I boot from cd... and it chokes. Here is what it says:
Loading the 'hsb_412.sfs' mail file... copying to ram... done
setting up the layered filesystem..... done
performing a 'switch_root' to the layered filesystem... Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init!

Also a month ago or so I was able to do a frugal install... but then I noticed afterwards that the hsb_412.sfs file was only 27mb. That seemed way too small as it was the largest file in the folder. Not surprisingly, it did not boot.

Anyway, I'll keep trying things, and different isos.

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#35 Post by sidders »

If its booting from the cd, could be a bad burn. Try burning at x4.


I'll see if i can replicate the problem.

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#36 Post by jamalexa »

Happy Holidays. I am going to build a system for my 3 year old this week.I want to try and install a couple of programs for her and I would like to know which version of wine should i install? Also I need to know if i should use an .sfs or a pet/ and how to install it. Thank you for your time.

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#37 Post by sidders »

i've no experiience with Wine. This thread might help:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37783

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#38 Post by technosaurus »

GCompris 9.0 released
  • Changes: GCompris is almost 10 years old, and it required some deep code restructuring. The old, unmaintained gnome-canvas toolkit has been replaced with a modern Cairo-based toolkit named... goocanvas. One good side effect is that GCompris can be used on big monitors and on smaller devices. Minor changes include the new graphism for the canal lock and water cycle activities, the new photo hunter activity, and more famous paintings. The animation activity allows editing previous frames at will with a timeline.
They should really dump the ancient pysqlite requirement too since Python now carries sqlite bindings by default... (or am I confusing another Python game?)
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#39 Post by technosaurus »

I have hacked jwm to replace ROX for the desktop (including background, icons and more):
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 851#380851

Why?
fewer resources
faster start
"buttons" for icons
grouped programs
can remove Rox for kiosk mode
stability - kids can't easily delete icons, background etc...
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#40 Post by sidders »

Just thought i would call in and say i have noted everything, also been knocking around the forum noting lots of other things as-well.

Had a play with Winelite from Choicepup and it works on HSB. I'm no expert on Wine though. I have tried a few small apps, if it doesnt work out of the box on Wine i havnt persued it.I will though in future.

Also experimented with Pebble (again) and Splashy with mixed results. As MikeB pointed out on the Spalshy thread Bootsplash seems to the better option, however i have not embarked on that but will do soon.

Getting myself sorted out and organised, then i will meditate and focus on taking this forward.

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#41 Post by technosaurus »

busybox has an new applet called fbsplash as well - though I have not experimented with it for the init due to not having a uclibc toolchain - if interested I can test out buildroot to see if I can build it to see if it is worth the potential size and boot speed savings.
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#42 Post by sidders »

As i have no idea what a "uclibc toolchain" is and having just read what Busybox is\does (which is a shame as its at the heart of Puppy) i dont think i could get to grips with it anytime soon. :oops:

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#43 Post by nwbuntu »

Hi!

Interesting topic, linux for (young) kids.
I already found Qimo (http://www.qimo4kids.com/) which is based on Xubuntu.
Your version based on Puppy is however even more lighter :-)!

I just wanted to let you know that today I found OOo4Kids (OpenOffice.org for kids) on the internet (http://wiki.ooo4kids.org), tested working on Ubuntu, Debian, Mandriva, Fedora and Suse for the moment.
Maybe could be interesting for your distro?

keep up the good work!
Nwbuntu

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#44 Post by Jim1911 »

Hi sidders,

Are there plans to update your fine Hansamben to include the new GCompris 9.0?

Thanks,
Jim

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#45 Post by sidders »

Yes. The title 'pre-release' i think has gone out of the window. it will just keep on going evolving. Just having a look at bootsplash at the moment, because it takes me into the all things kernel and gives ne a better understanding of Linux in general.

The plan (sort of) is gcompris 9.0 and a 2.6.30 kernel at least. whilst maintaining the retro kernel.

The Spanish translation is still on. Just stuck with the translation of help files. So i will get all the apps in spanish and post it anyway.

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#46 Post by sidders »

technosaurus.

I have been looking and poking around in Busybox, after poking around in the kernel with Bootsplash (shelved). May have a crack at fbsplash formerly known as gensplash.

Configure and make busybox with fbsplash from scratch and including what is already in the puppy busybox seems straight forward, ticking the required applets. Am i right?. There is something nagging me about headers and the like.

Initrd and fbsplash can wait for the moment.

I will get going again with HSB, just need to get this out of my system.

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#47 Post by technosaurus »

That would be OK in tinycore, but not Puppy - gnu libc is not in the initrd so you would actually need a uclibc setup of some kind - they used to have a wrapper, but now you need something like buildroot or your busybox will be roughly double the size because it will link with gnu libc. The reason it will work in tinycore is that they just go ahead and keep the init and the gnu libc for system use rather than trashing it after the pivotroot like most distros do (puppy only keeps the kernel modules as far as I know) I'm sorry if it got you on a wild goose chase. The 4.2.1 version had something set up but I always do a manual frugal install so I never see these things.
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#48 Post by sidders »

Thanks Technosaurus. At least i had a good look at Busybox and now know what its about.

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#49 Post by yarddog »

I am currently using the iso version without the sfs setting up games for my grandchildren. This is working extremely well .
I would like to add some swf games and run in a HTML Viewer such as Puppy HTML Viewer. I want to eliminate any possibility of their getting into areas that would cause problems.
Using your CTRL-H , CTRL-D helps, but using the Firepup browser to run the swf games, they still see the bar with File, Edit, View , Go, Bookmarks, etc and their inquisitive minds could create problems.
Can the HTML viewer be added to this version? Is there a pet for it?
Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.

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#50 Post by technosaurus »

there is a kiosk mode for opera, but you should be able to use

bareview /path/to/game.swf

also F11 will go full screen without the file edit view

or use this plugin if you want it permanent
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1659
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