Puppy Linux Discussion Forum Forum Index Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
Puppy HOME page : puppylinux.com
"THE" alternative forum : puppylinux.info
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

The time now is Thu 18 Dec 2014, 00:21
All times are UTC - 4
 Forum index » House Training » HOWTO ( Solutions )
Puppy Linux Windows Users: exe installer programs
Moderators: Flash, Ian, JohnMurga
Post_new_topic   Reply_to_topic View_previous_topic :: View_next_topic
Page 5 of 9 Posts_count   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 Next
Author Message
T_Hobbit


Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 400
Location: Portugal - Lisbon

PostPosted: Wed 25 Nov 2009, 20:13    Post_subject:  

Sylvander wrote:
(b) I have never previously had PROBLEM3 with any Puppy I've ever run; this is the only one.
Mind you, Puppy 4.2.1-rc3 is the only other I run from a Flash Drive, and it has always saved normally.

Old computer, right? We are using Puppy 4.3.1, right?
I had this problem booting old laptop with the normal 4.3 and 4.3.1. I solved the problem turning to old kernel versions...

_________________
T_Hobbit
Idea Rebuilding old DOS Machine for Wing Commander Privateer and Puppy Exclamation Old spare parts to give away - anyone interested Question
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
Sylvander

Joined: 15 Dec 2008
Posts: 3547
Location: West Lothian, Scotland, UK

PostPosted: Wed 25 Nov 2009, 23:18    Post_subject:  

1. "Old computer, right?"
Correct.
Compaq Deskpro EN built 1999.

2. "We are using Puppy 4.3.1, right?"
Correct.

3. "I had this problem booting old laptop with the normal 4.3 and 4.3.1"
I had trouble with 4.3-k2.6.30.5, so had to use k2.6.25.16 which worked OK.
I use ttuuxxx's retro version of 4.31.1, and that works well.
Normally the problem I'd see is that the problem Puppy couldn't see my HDD, because it's connected via a PCI to IDE SCSI RAID controller card.
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
T_Hobbit


Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 400
Location: Portugal - Lisbon

PostPosted: Thu 26 Nov 2009, 06:22    Post_subject:  

I'm supposing that... This will not work for you... I'm mean, with the nrmal Puppy4.3.1. Must be with 4.3.1small or 4.3.1 old kernel version's...
_________________
T_Hobbit
Idea Rebuilding old DOS Machine for Wing Commander Privateer and Puppy Exclamation Old spare parts to give away - anyone interested Question
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
Sylvander

Joined: 15 Dec 2008
Posts: 3547
Location: West Lothian, Scotland, UK

PostPosted: Thu 26 Nov 2009, 07:12    Post_subject:  

In which case, all's well.

All I wanted to do was to check that the system/method worked, and apparently it does. Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
steve_s


Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 1545
Location: Austin, TX, USA

PostPosted: Thu 26 Nov 2009, 11:14    Post_subject:
Sub_title: New updates
 

Original post updated with new exe file.

Also link provided in original post about WakePup2 exe.

Also link provided on cd designed only to boot Puppy 4.3.1 usb flash drive. Cool
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website 
Sylvander

Joined: 15 Dec 2008
Posts: 3547
Location: West Lothian, Scotland, UK

PostPosted: Thu 26 Nov 2009, 14:43    Post_subject:  

Woooohooo, SUCCESS! Very Happy Cool

EVERYTHING worked perfectly first time!
No sign of previous problems.
e.g.
The WakePup2 floppy loaded the Puppy at 1st attempt.
And the Puppy gave me the opportunity to save, just as it aught.
And it DID save when told...
And found and used the contents of the pupsave file at next boot.

And hey...
I notice this version has a SAVE icon on the desktop.
Does that mean this [Flash Drive] version only saves [actually copies?] during a session if & when the user clicks on the icon?

And of course, it is FAST.

Perfect result!

This will give greater choice of installation method to Windows users who fancy giving Puppy a try. Cool
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
steve_s


Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 1545
Location: Austin, TX, USA

PostPosted: Thu 26 Nov 2009, 18:29    Post_subject:  

Sylvander wrote:
Woooohooo, SUCCESS! Very Happy Cool

EVERYTHING worked perfectly first time!
No sign of previous problems.
e.g.
The WakePup2 floppy loaded the Puppy at 1st attempt.
And the Puppy gave me the opportunity to save, just as it aught.
And it DID save when told...
And found and used the contents of the pupsave file at next boot.

And hey...
I notice this version has a SAVE icon on the desktop.
Does that mean this [Flash Drive] version only saves [actually copies?] during a session if & when the user clicks on the icon?

And of course, it is FAST.

Perfect result!

This will give greater choice of installation method to Windows users who fancy giving Puppy a try. Cool


Sweet! Cool

As far as the save file goes: I've noticed that with most of the usb versions I've used. You can manually save or just let it save automatically like normal. Good stuff... Cool

Have you tried that boot cd? You might play with that too and see what you think (if your pc allows it). My big accomplishment with that one was that it is tiny and that I figured out how to change the boot image. Very Happy Ok, I didn't change it much, but it was a big accomplishment to me. Wink Oh, and it defaults to booting the usb drive, of course.

Anyway, glad you got it to work...let's start spreading the word....
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website 
Sylvander

Joined: 15 Dec 2008
Posts: 3547
Location: West Lothian, Scotland, UK

PostPosted: Thu 26 Nov 2009, 19:40    Post_subject:  

1. OK, tried the boot CD [rewritable], and it works much better than I imagined. Smile

It loads the Puppy MUCH FASTER than the WakePup2 floppy does the job. Very Happy
I'm typing this from the resulting OS environment right now.

I'm going to stop using the floppy and use the CD instead. Cool

2. "let's start spreading the word"
I've already begun doing that at the PC-Guide forums.
Suggested to someone that he give it a go, and use it [as a start] to backup his Windows and data partitions.
Others too are beginning to suggest using Puppy for various tasks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
steve_s


Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 1545
Location: Austin, TX, USA

PostPosted: Thu 26 Nov 2009, 20:01    Post_subject:  

Sylvander wrote:

I've already begun doing that at the PC-Guide forums.
Suggested to someone that he give it a go, and use it [as a start] to backup his Windows and data partitions.
Others too are beginning to suggest using Puppy for various tasks.


...and that's been the goal all along! Excellent! Well done! Cool
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website 
T_Hobbit


Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 400
Location: Portugal - Lisbon

PostPosted: Thu 26 Nov 2009, 20:15    Post_subject:  

Congratulations!
Next step: Can I challenge you to make a generic exe independent from the ISO (like I describe before...)?

_________________
T_Hobbit
Idea Rebuilding old DOS Machine for Wing Commander Privateer and Puppy Exclamation Old spare parts to give away - anyone interested Question
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
steve_s


Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 1545
Location: Austin, TX, USA

PostPosted: Thu 26 Nov 2009, 21:58    Post_subject:  

TomRhymer wrote:
T_Hobbit wrote:
I mean... instead of putting the ISO inside the exe, you may create a more flexible exe, that can use any Puppy available.
Can you make an exe that ask the location of the ISO? The rest is the some, but using the ISO you just "locate"...


Unetbootin does this, I have used it with several different pups and puplets with any trouble.

http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/


I hear you, T_Hobbit. I am going to keep investigating 'cause, honestly, this is fun stuff.

But TomRhymer is right: unetbootin takes care of this.

Also, I don't want to give too many options as this can be too confusing to a newly transferred Window's user. Linux has a lot of choices and I'm told that can be too much. I really just wanted to give a basic exe to get 'em going.

But, like I said, I'm not done with this project and would love to expand upon it; I'll keep posting back. Cool
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website 
steve_s


Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 1545
Location: Austin, TX, USA

PostPosted: Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:43    Post_subject:  

The latest issue has been finding good, bootable flash drive brands.

The goal is that a standard Window's user can go buy a bootable FAT filesystem flash drive and then run the exe provided at the beginning of this thread and it be good to go.

So, please recommend some good, bootable flash drive brands for everyone.

Overall still the easiest way, in my opinion, to make a bootable flash drive on your own is to boot with a Puppy Linux livecd, plug in a flash drive, then let Puppy Universal installer totally reformat the flash drive and install Puppy.

Why is that easiest and what is the deal with filesystems (in simplified terms)?

Linux and Window's are built on filesystems. Window's uses a VFAT, FAT or NTFS filesystem. Linux typically uses an ext2, or ext3 filesystem. Puppy, however, can run on FAT filesystems and NTFS if it has to.

Window's cannot see ext2 or ext3, usually (unless it uses certain tools). Linux can read and see all of them, especially Puppy.

You can partition your drive (break it into parts) or format your drive in Window's or Linux, but only Linux can set up Linux filesystems. Puppy can do all that easily.

Why the heck should one care about this?

When a computer system starts/boots it goes from the BIOS (basic input/output system) then finds a bootable device, reads it's filesystem then boots the operating system, or OS, for example Linux and Windows, on that device. This all happens in seconds.

You can, of course, use a device designed to boot for you and some of those are provided here in the beginning of the thread, like WakePup2 floppy and the Puppy boot cd.

When Puppy installs and formats it makes a Linux filesystem and installs Puppy, easy, easy, but the standards Window user doesn't know how to do this.

Window's can't format for Linux and to make a USB device bootable in a FAT fileystem in Windows requires certain tools. Those aren't readily available in Window's, although I will post some soon.

So, right now we are left trying to find good brands that are already bootable. If you have recommendations that have worked for you out of the box, then please help us out by posting ideas.
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website 
TomRhymer

Joined: 18 Sep 2009
Posts: 95

PostPosted: Fri 27 Nov 2009, 19:32    Post_subject: Bootable flash drives.  

I've never found a flash drive that was pre-formatted to be bootable. On the other hand, I've never found a flash that couldn't be made bootable by unetbootin or by using GParted.

I've never been too particular about what kind of flash drive to use for puppy. I have a few small MicroSD cards that I use with either a USB or SD adapter to boot from. I did try out your exe installer, it worked fine on a 512 MB card.

As far as file systems go, I usually just use FAT or FAT32 for Puppy. I've used ext2 and ext3, but I haven't seen apprieciable differences in performance.

The main quality differences in flash drives are speed and reliability. Most commercial brands are reliable and have a long life span, although I've had a few problems with a SuperTalent Pico-C. It's a tiny metal drive that heats up quite a bit in use, and after a year and a half, it frequently isn't recognized.

In terms of speed, most newer flash drives read as fast as the USB interface (32MB/s) but write much slower. I tested all of my flash drives with a Windows program called CrystalDiskMark, the best results were with an OCZ Diesel drive that got 32MB/s read and 15MB/s write. It also tests r/w speeds with small files, which are much, much lower on all flash drives. Sandisk drives are very cheap, and have good read speed (28MB/s), but their write speeds are around 8MB/s. The slowest speeds I got was with my PNY and Memorex drive, but those are the oldest drives I have. I think that newer drives from them would probably perform better.
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message 
steve_s


Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 1545
Location: Austin, TX, USA

PostPosted: Sat 28 Nov 2009, 15:26    Post_subject: Re: Bootable flash drives.  

TomRhymer wrote:
I've never found a flash drive that was pre-formatted to be bootable...


Good stuff, Tom, thanks!

Keep those suggestions coming, folks!

Cool
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website 
steve_s


Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 1545
Location: Austin, TX, USA

PostPosted: Sat 28 Nov 2009, 15:50    Post_subject:  

Ever get this one?

Invalid system disk
Replace the disk, and then press any key


I was getting it on a couple of flash drives when I tried to boot directly to them (booting via a cd or a floppy worked great, though). Let me tell you how I fixed one of them (a Swissbit), and probably how I'll fix the others.

I @#$%ing looked everywhere to find the answer to this. The bios was reading it as another hard drive, and even though I would select it as the main hard drive to boot from, I still got that error message.

Turns out that the mbr (master boot record) for the usb drive was no good. Looked at a variety of ways to fix it, but none worked well and all gave some kind of error message.

So, leave it to the awesome Puppians 'cause they new how to fix it. Here's how:

1. Boot into Puppy 4.3.1. I don't care how you do it; cd boots to usb, cd by itself, WakePup2 to usb, whatever, but the USB flash drive that you want to fix can't be the one that you are using to run Puppy.

2. Puppy 4.3.1 now has this very cool USB tool in the menu: Setup>BootFlash install Puppy to USB.

You already need to have downloaded or have accessible the pup-431.iso file if you want to use this method to install Puppy to a flash drive also.

3. Plug the flash drive in and run the program. Awesome. There are different options to pick from, but I used the ComboFormat boot tool. Then I told it (when it asked) where I had the iso file saved, it installed it to my flash drive, perfect.

Now the BIOS reads my Swissbit as a floppy disk. I have to tell the BIOS to pick the Swissbit as the preferred floppy, that it should boot first, but then I'm golden.

The computer now boots straight to Puppy via the flash drive.

Hours of searching for the right tool and Puppy had it all along; when am I gonna learn? Wink Took maybe five minutes for the program to run.

Oh, it's still a FAT filesystem on the flash drive so Windows can see it no problem. I can either boot from my Swissbit or run Windows (which I had to install just to be able to investigate things on this thread; ugh, I feel so dirty Smile ).
Back to top
View user's profile Send_private_message Visit_website 
Display_posts:   Sort by:   
Page 5 of 9 Posts_count   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 Next
Post_new_topic   Reply_to_topic View_previous_topic :: View_next_topic
 Forum index » House Training » HOWTO ( Solutions )
Jump to:  

Rules_post_cannot
Rules_reply_cannot
Rules_edit_cannot
Rules_delete_cannot
Rules_vote_cannot
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
[ Time: 0.0967s ][ Queries: 12 (0.0055s) ][ GZIP on ]