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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Nov 2009, 08:39    Post subject:  

1. Used wakepup2.exe to write the new fileset to the same floppy.

(a) When I had formatted the floppy in Windows...
When I booted it, the following error was displayed:
NTLDR is missing
Press any key to Restart


(b) When I had formatted the floppy in BoxPup...
When I booted it, an error beginning with the following was displayed:
This is not a bootable disk
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WB7ODYFred


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Nov 2009, 01:48    Post subject: Left a link to this topic at http://www.portableapps.com
Subject description: PuppyLinux Entry at portableapps.com
 

http://portableapps.com/node/17855 Here at this forum a left a link to your discussion here. Sylvander, thanks for your testing efforts. I really hope you do get a single .EXE file to download that will install to a USB FLash disk and write a correct boot floppy, too.

This will make building a bootable USB Flash Disk while operating under WINDOWS a no-brainer!

When it all works properly, POST a follow up link to the portableapps.com web under the forum topic

For people who want linux http://portableapps.com/node/17855

Keep up the work and the testing!

WB7ODYFred
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steve_s


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Nov 2009, 10:32    Post subject: Re: Left a link to this topic at http://www.portableapps.com
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WB7ODYFred wrote:
http://portableapps.com/node/17855 Here at this forum a left a link to your discussion here. Sylvander, thanks for your testing efforts. I really hope you do get a single .EXE file to download that will install to a USB FLash disk and write a correct boot floppy, too.

This will make building a bootable USB Flash Disk while operating under WINDOWS a no-brainer!

When it all works properly, POST a follow up link to the portableapps.com web under the forum topic

For people who want linux http://portableapps.com/node/17855


Thanks! So far the exe that does the usb flash should work fine for computers that can boot directly to usb.

As far as the exe that is needed for wakepup, it needs help: we are missing a file. I can't figure out what it is, at least not using Windows.

In other words, there is a hidden file or a file missing in the exe to make it bootable and I don't know what it is.

Anyone have ideas? Confused I can't check it again until later today or tomorrow...we gotta figure out what it is before I redo the exe to get it going...love Windows and those hidden files... Wink
Keep up the work and the testing!

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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Nov 2009, 11:49    Post subject:  

1. "we are missing a file. I can't figure out what it is"
The only file in the root of my WakePup2=(a) that isn't included in the root of WakePup2=(b) is...
autoexec.bat

I have given a copy of that file a zip extension [which extensions are allowed?] and attached it below.
Just download it and change the extension back to bat.
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Nov 2009, 22:52    Post subject:  

Sylvander, good catch, but that wasn't enough.

I realized that, just like copying the resulting contents of an iso image is not the same as reading a disk that has a burned iso image on it is, so it is with a floppy disk image.

So I ran a program that converted a floppy disk directly to an exe.

In Windows

Extract this WAKEPUP2.EXE from the zip file I've attached to the base folder in your system. By base folder I just mean the default folder that comes up when you run Start>Run and type in "cmd" (without the quotes of course).

So, if I type in cmd I might get a command prompt that pops up and defaults to:
Code:

C:\Documents and Settings\Steve S>

If I saved WAKEPUP2.EXE to this directory, when I run dir from that prompt, WAKEPUP2.EXE will be listed.

To copy the image of wakepup2 to a new, already formatted floppy disk that is ready to go and inserted in the A: drive, I type this command at that Window's prompt:
Code:

WAKEPUP2.EXE A:


I've tried this, it copies the image like a champ and I've booted to the new floppy and wakepup boots up as intended.

PLEASE TEST though. I hope my instructions are clear enough. Tell me how it goes. Cool
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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Nov 2009, 05:27    Post subject:  

1. The latest wakepup2=(b) works! Very Happy

2. METHOD:
Because this is designed [I hope] to be used by Windows users...
I did [almost] all of the work in Windows.
(a) Downloaded the zip file whilst working in BoxPup.
Saved the file to a handy location outside of the BoxPup file system.
i.e. Put it in sda6/00 [E:\00].

(b) Rebooted into Win2000Pro, unzipped the wakepup2.zip file.

(c) PROBLEM1!
Along with the wakepup2.exe file were 3 unneeded/empty/random folders.
I scanned E:\00 for trojans and infection, and none was found, so I erased the 3 folders [using Eraser].

(d) Opened wakepup2.exe, and it wrote the image to the [previously reformatted (in BoxPup)] floppy disk.

(e) Rebooted the PC [with the wakepup2 floppy in the drive], and it booted just fine and loaded the Puppy from the Flash Drive.

(f) PROBLEM2!
The Puppy wasn't loading any of the configurations previously made!
And when I shut it down it reported that nothing was being saved!
I wouldn't [except for very exceptional purposes] work with any Puppy that didn't/couldn't save configurations and/or new package installations.
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Nov 2009, 08:32    Post subject:  

Slyvander: first of all, thank you very much for giving all my crazy efforts a run. This can't be figured out without someone else testing it.

Problem 1 response: yeah, I made it in Windows, so invariably it adds weird other files. That's why I said just extract the exe file and didn't say anything about the rest; it's not needed.

I am thinking about taking that exe and seeing about putting it into another exe so that it can be loaded via a double click; don't know if that will work, but needed this part tested first. Now that it works, I'll look at the next step.

As far as whether or not Puppy is saving, did it load any kind of save file? Have we produced a save file with this version? We may need to look back to the original thread with T_Hobbit's comments and see if there were issues with this version creating a save file..if that isn't loaded we may have to track down the issues this version of Puppy on the usb drive is creating regarding the save file... Confused
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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Nov 2009, 10:57    Post subject:  

1. I went into Windows and zipped up a copy of the wakepup2.exe file [with the 3 extra folders not included], to make wakepup2.zip, a copy of which is attached below.

2. I then extracted the wakepup2.exe file from the above wakepup2.zip file [the 3 extra folders were of course not present] and used it to write the image to the reformatted floppy, and booted that floppy.
PROBLEM3?
Yet again, at 1st boot of the newly made wakepup2 floppy...
The boot halted just prior to loading the files from the USB Flash Drive.
The 2nd attempt yet again proceeded normally to load the files.
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T_Hobbit


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Nov 2009, 12:28    Post subject:  

steve_s wrote:

As far as whether or not Puppy is saving, did it load any kind of save file? Have we produced a save file with this version? We may need to look back to the original thread with T_Hobbit's comments and see if there were issues with this version creating a save file..if that isn't loaded we may have to track down the issues this version of Puppy on the usb drive is creating regarding the save file... Confused


I can't help with wakepup 'cos I don't have a working computer with floppy drive... But I made a Puppy USB drive and it asked if I want to save a pup_save... I always boot Puppy this way with no problems!
Which FAT you have? More than 1 partition?
In a couple of hours I can try it as soon as I get home!

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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Nov 2009, 13:36    Post subject:  

1. "Which FAT you have? More than 1 partition?"
FAT32, single partition filling the 1GB Flash Drive.
No pupsave being made [opportunity not offered], so not found at boot.
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Nov 2009, 14:27    Post subject:  

All right. Through a natural progression we seem to have two projects going on in this thread, all with the same ultimate goal: make it easier for Window's people to get Puppy going. One project: exe file to put a good bootable usb flash drive together. Very close on that one.

And the other project is to get WakePup2 in an exe file to quickly put it on a flash drive. Please to announce that, through the encouragement and testing of Sylvander, we now have that together. I took our successful wakepup exe file and put it in another exe file, so now it is accessable through a standard Window's double click.

WakePup2 as an EXE file for Window's
Download the attached zip file, unpack it, make sure you have a formatted, ready-to-go floppy in the A: drive, double-click this downloaded wakepup2-img-write.EXE file and watch it go! Cool It will put the WakePup image file, unpacked on your floppy drive.

PLEASE TEST, Sylvander (and of course anyone else that wants) to confirm, but I did it, it works and boots on the test floppy. Very Happy

On this aspect of the project, of course, absolute prop's go out to the creator of WakePup, forum member pakt.
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Nov 2009, 15:54    Post subject:  

T_Hobbit wrote:
steve_s wrote:

As far as whether or not Puppy is saving, did it load any kind of save file? Have we produced a save file with this version? We may need to look back to the original thread with T_Hobbit's comments and see if there were issues with this version creating a save file..if that isn't loaded we may have to track down the issues this version of Puppy on the usb drive is creating regarding the save file... Confused


I can't help with wakepup 'cos I don't have a working computer with floppy drive... But I made a Puppy USB drive and it asked if I want to save a pup_save... I always boot Puppy this way with no problems!
Which FAT you have? More than 1 partition?
In a couple of hours I can try it as soon as I get home!


Ha! Figured it out! See if you gent's can get your save file working as well.

I had the usb all booted, runs good. Mounted it:
Code:

mkdir /mnt/sdb1
mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1

And I noticed that although all the file names were lower case, a few of the file extensions were upper case: help.MSG, boot.MSG, and initrd.GZ.

Still via command I used the mv command to change each one 'cause rox wouldn't let me do it:
Code:

mv initrd.GZ initrd2.gz
mv initrd2.gz initrd.gz

for each of those.

Then it asked if I wanted to save it after that, then it loaded the new save file on next boot...

If you gentlemen can confirm then I'll change the exe program to reflect the new changes and we are golden.

Cool
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Nov 2009, 18:02    Post subject:  

@steve_s: did you use "dd for Windows"? Wakepup is a image writen to a floppy, right? Maybe "dd" is more case sensitive friendly...

@Sylvander: you're booting using wakepup, right? Are you able to boot some computer with your flash drive only? Maybe wakepup is passing pfix=ram to the boot process... or maybe this is just a stupid idea! Razz

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Nov 2009, 19:00    Post subject:  

T_Hobbit wrote:
@steve_s: did you use "dd for Windows"? Wakepup is a image writen to a floppy, right? Maybe "dd" is more case sensitive friendly...

@Sylvander: you're booting using wakepup, right? Are you able to boot some computer with your flash drive only? Maybe wakepup is passing pfix=ram to the boot process... or maybe this is just a stupid idea! Razz


Nah, the Wakepup part is all set. I used the Windows equivalent of the dd, then put that in another exe. It's golden.

As far as passing the pfix=ram to usb, not a stupid idea, but I do think it is all about the capitalization aspect...want to see if Sylvander can do the same I did with the extensions...

I've made the exe and am testing...
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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Nov 2009, 20:04    Post subject:  

1.
(a) Downloaded wakepup2-img-write.zip, rebooted into Windows, unzipped the wakepup2-img-write.EXE file and used that to write the files to the usual floppy previously formatted yet again in BoxPup.

(b) Rebooted to the new wakepup2 floppy.
This [as per usual][on the 1st boot] halted right before the loading of the files from the USB Flash Drive, but succeeded at the 2nd run.

2. "I noticed that although all the file names were lower case, a few of the file extensions were upper case: help.MSG, boot.MSG, and initrd.GZ"
Not in my case; all the file names and extensions are lower case. [See my screenshot in previous post]
And yet, still no opportunity is given to save.
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