Unable to boot Puppy from USB Flash drive

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Unable to boot Puppy from USB Flash drive

#1 Post by Marc Noel »

I have tried to install Puppy 4.3.1 to two different USB Flash drives without success. I've used both the Universal Installer and Bootflash, and I keep getting the same results. Universal ejects the disc at the end of the installation process, but neither of two computers will boot from the USB Flash. I can view the contents of the Flash drive, and there are Puppy-related files on it, but no booting.

The aforementioned problem, along with an inability to connect to my own wireless signal (posted elsewhere), is dragging me down, especially considering Puppy's super-speed. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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#2 Post by Wheres One »

Do both computers support booting from USB? Are the boot priorities properly configured in the BIOS? In some BIOSs, there is an option to allow or disallow booting from USB; does yours have such an option?

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#3 Post by abedarts »

In the System section of the menus run GParted and make sure the boot flag is set on your USB drive. You can do this before or after you install Puppy on the drive. (in GParted click on the partition, then Partition - Manage Flags.)

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#4 Post by Marc Noel »

abedarts and Wheres One:

Thanks for the prompt replies.

One computer can be set to boot from USB, but the other doesn't seem to have that option. Regardless, I can't get it to boot in either case. Also, I tried the GParted thing, and it still didn't work. Once I ejected the Puppy CD, and left the Flash drive mounted, when I re-booted, it went into Windows.

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#5 Post by Wheres One »

In the BIOS priority configuration section, does the flash drive have a higher priority than the hard drive that contains Windows?

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#6 Post by rjbrewer »

Try using the cd to boot the flash;

at boot splash screen type "puppy pmedia=usbflash" (no quotes)

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#7 Post by rokytnji »

I am posting right now running LightHouse Pup running off of Live 2 gig Kingston Traveler USB on a Acer Aspire One. I formatted the USB as Fat 32 and Used my Ubuntu Linux Version of Unetbootin to make the bootable USB from Downloaded Puppy LightHouse ISO. Hope that helps you. Good Luck.

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#8 Post by Jeffreytooker »

Marc:

I posted this last week over on How To. It is another way of doing things.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48828

Try it with the iso you have been using.

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#9 Post by Marc Noel »

Wheres One:

On the newer computer, the boot order is CD-ROM, USB, then Hard Drive, but it still opens up in Windows. When I open the older comp's BIOS, I can select the hard drive, then a sub-category opens up showing the USB. However, I can either select or de-select it with an exclamation point, but either way, it doesn't seem to make it an earlier choice than the hard drive, so no matter what configuration I try, I can't get the USB to boot.


rjbrewer:

What is the bootsplash screen? Is it what comes up when I press F2 right at the very first screen when Puppy starts loading? If so, I tried it just now, and it appeared to work, but when I ejected the disk and tried re-booting from the flash, Windows started up again.


rokytjni:

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're trying to say.


Jeffreytooker:

I read your other post, but I still have a hard drive to deal with. I did actually try this yesterday, saving the files to the flash, and it did save them, but not in such a way as to enable booting from the flash.

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#10 Post by Jeffreytooker »

<<<Jeffreytooker:

I read your other post, but I still have a hard drive to deal with. I did actually try this yesterday, saving the files to the flash, and it did save them, but not in such a way as to enable booting from the flash.

Marc Noel>>>

Marc:
The system will not boot from flash (USB stick). It will boot from disk, find USB stick and load from it.

Jeffrey

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#11 Post by Marc Noel »

Jeffrey:

Okay, I AM thick, but, if I have the CD in the CD drive, then why would I need the USB stick, since Puppy would load from the CD? Or do you mean that the computer will try to boot Puppy from the hard drive, not find it, then go looking for the USB? Currently, even if I have the USB stick in its port, when I re-boot, the comp just loads Windows. I can't figure out how to get the comp to check the USB first.

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#12 Post by rjbrewer »

What are the make and model numbers of these computers?

When you turn them on do they briefly show which key to push
for one time boot?

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#13 Post by rjbrewer »

If this is a compaq v2000 laptop, you probably need to push
the f12 or f10 key when powering up the machine.
The usbflash has to be installed from cold start.
Rebooting (restarting) is not the same as having power off
and on.
Trying to change boot order in bios probably won't work.

Edit;
Another search claims the f2 key is used for boot selection.

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#14 Post by exProphecy »

Did you say something about the boot flag in GParted not being present? If this is so, you should probably right click on the partition, ie FAT32 or NTFS, and delete it. Then click Apply. After that, right click on it again and New then choose FAT16 or FAT32. It'll say error @ first but then try it again and it will say to create a mkdos or something. After that, you can create it and check the tick box for boot.

I duno if that will work but it certainly fixes the boot flag problem. :wink:
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#15 Post by Jeffreytooker »

<<<Jeffrey:

Okay, I AM thick, but, if I have the CD in the CD drive, then why would I need the USB stick, since Puppy would load from the CD? Or do you mean that the computer will try to boot Puppy from the hard drive, not find it, then go looking for the USB? Currently, even if I have the USB stick in its port, when I re-boot, the comp just loads Windows. I can't figure out how to get the comp to check the USB first.

Marc>>>

Marc:

Consider terminology first. The BOOT device is the device which the BIOS finds with the first valid set of BOOT (start) instructions. In our case with the Puppy 431 iso, the iso is the first set of valid boot instructions. The iso will load its required information into RAM. You will make the choices until you get to the 431 desktop. When you go to shut down, the 431 iso asks you where you want to store all if the information. This will be to itself or to a HDD or USB. In this case remember the USB is a replacement for the HDD and is a storage device not a BOOT device. When the iso disk is in the computer, the computer will always BOOT from the iso disk. It may store information to some other device besides itself, but it will BOOT from itself.

First if we are talking about two computers we have to establish one computer to start with. The one I am most familiar with is the computer which WILL NOT boot from a USB stick. This is because the BIOS does not allow booting from a USB stick. This most probably will be the oldest computer.

BIOS is the first program that starts when the computer powers up. It goes looking for something which will tell it (the BIOS) how to boot (start) the computer. To do this BIOS looks in its boot order instructions. The BIOS will boot the computer with the first set of valid instructions that it finds. In the case of Puppy the BIOS needs to find the Puppy 431 iso CD/DVD before it finds the HDD (Hard Disk Drive).

First get into BIOS as mentioned by RJBrewer above. With my old Compaq F10 gets me into BIOS. The next question is Language. English is highlighted (up down arrows for other languages). Press enter. This opens the main screen. The choices across the top are: Main, Storage, Security, and Advanced. Press right arrow until storage is highlighted. Press down arrow to boot order then press enter. The up down arrows should let you choose first boot device. F10 to accept changes. Left arrow to get back to main. Down arrow to save changes and exit, hit enter. This should get you out of BIOS. Shut down computer and reboot with the Puppy 431 iso in the CD/DVD. This should get you booted from the 431 iso. I have set my CD first. Having the CD/DVD in front of the HDD will get the computer to boot from the Puppy CD/DVD, and not find the HDD. If you have made a proper Puppy 431 iso (as directed by others) it should get your computer to boot from the Puppy disk and not go to Windows.

When you get booted from the disk, make the required choices until you are in the Puppy 431 desktop. To turn off the computer go >menu>shut down>power off.

The first time you shut down the computer with the 431 iso in it, the choices will ask you if you want to save to file (HDD) or save to CD/DVD.

Saving to file will be HDD or USB if there is a USB installed and no HDD. Once this instruction is given the Puppy 431 iso CD/DVD will always save this way. When this disk boots up again it will look for the HDD or USB so it can load the data from that device into the computer (RAM). This will bring you back to the Puppy 431 desktop.

Saving to CD/DVD will cause the CD/DVD to save back to itself. Once the CD/DVD does this it will always do this.

For now the easiest thing to do is get your computer to boot from the Puppy 431 iso and save back to CD/DVD. Later you can get to the more involved operations. Remember that this type of install boots from the iso disk, to RAM, performs the required computer operations and saves the instructions and data back to the Puppy 431 iso disk at system shut down.

If I have been too detailed please tell me.

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#16 Post by Aitch »

Marc Noel

You don't give much detail about the PCs you are trying to boot USB drives with
IF they have floppy drives, I suggest downloading and making a BOOT FLOPPY, which WILL allow you to boot from floppy, ZIP, CD/DVD, USB flash or HDD, or HDD drives, in fact ANY bootable device - whether allowed in BIOS or not

Smart boot manager here

http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm

see also here

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=3988

Good Luck

Aitch :)

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#17 Post by Jeffreytooker »

<<<Aitch wrote:
You don't give much detail about the PCs you are trying to boot USB drives with
IF they have floppy drives, I suggest downloading and making a BOOT FLOPPY, which WILL allow you to boot from floppy, ZIP, CD/DVD, USB, or HDD drives>>>

Aitch:

I stumbled across a way to boot from the Puppy 431 iso and save to USB.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48828

It allows one to boot from the 431 iso and save to the USB. I am using it with a Dell Dimension 2350 which will not boot from USB. I made the USB by forcing the iso to save to the USB because I had removed the HDD. I can copy the forced USB to other USB's so I do not have to repeat the force. I keep the iso and the USB as a set. This allows the benefits of HDD type operation while using a USB. As the HDD is not used there is no partitioning. The USB allows portability, and it all runs on a computer which will not boot from USB.

Jeffrey

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#18 Post by Marc Noel »

Thanks to everyone who responded. It turns out that I don't need to have a USB drive, since Puppy would only be used on one computer anyway, so loading from a CD is fine. However, I have had to download something called Pwireless2 to get the wireless connection to work, and it appears that it needs to be installed each time Puppy is loaded. That, combined with some other issues, has dictated that I stick with Windows at this time, as the person who will use this computer won't be willing to have to perform a fresh install every time.

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#19 Post by Wheres One »

You don't have to install it every time; when you shut down, after running from the live CD, you should be given a prompt to save your session. Do this, and you won't have to reinstall the program every time that you boot.

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#20 Post by Marc Noel »

Wheres One:

Okay, IF I can get PWireless2 to work again (it didn't the last time I installed it), then you mean that, once I finish my session with Puppy, then save to CD, it will boot up from the CD again the next time I re-boot or turn the computer on, all ready to go? I will try that tonight. I told my wife (it's her computer) that she could just leave the Puppy CD in until she needs to do something else (like play another CD/DVD, or else to boot Windows). Also, will the CD continue to save data indefinitely, or else will a message eventually come up saying that the CD is full and a new one must be made? Should I be using a CD-RW instead of a CD-R?

By the way, I also tried installing Linux Mint, but I didn't partition right (I need to learn more about the process), and, no matter what I did, I could not get a wireless connection (Broadcom wireless adapter), so Puppy was one of the two choices I was trying. I couldn't even get an Internet connection with the Ethernet cable plugged in! Figure that out.

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