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tronkel


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Oct 2009, 14:23    Post subject:  Karmic Puppy 432 Bugs  

Just downloaded Karmic 432.

X hung and did not detect the ATI Radeon HD3450 video card as did Upup Alpha 9.

Eventually managed to start X by editing xorg.conf but only ended up with low resolution of 1280 x 1024. Normally configured this should be 1400 x 900. MU's ATI fglrx pet loaded OK but still X would not start. This worked fine in 431 which also has the same kernel 2.6.30.5

Ethernet forcedeth module loaded and appeared to configure OK, but still no internet - so can't test the package manager as this needs to be online for downloading updates.

Neither Seamonkey, Puppy Browser nor console would start. Looks like some vital library is missing somewhere.

If others have similar problems, maybe a pattern will emerge that will pinpoint the problem.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Oct 2009, 15:15    Post subject:  

Just tried to build a Debian pup using karmic woof

Didn't get far:

Quote:
Press any printable char to check if PET pkgs in local db files
actually exist on Internet host site.
WARNING: THIS TAKES A LONG TIME, RECOMMEND BYPASS
or ENTER only to bypass check:

[A package information database file needs to be downloaded.
This will be downloaded from:
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/karmic/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
and will be processed and named Packages-debian-karmic-main.
Press ENTER key to download, any other to abort:
Failed to download, aborting.
#


LOL look at the download path name - a mixture of Debian and Karmic! Now there's an idea for Mark Shuttleworth!

Quote:
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/karmic/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Oct 2009, 16:17    Post subject:  

Also had a problem with xorg detecting my NVIDIA Geforce 8400 card. Finally was able to get it to work with xvesa which is unacceptable.

Installed the NIVIDIA-185.18.36-k2.6.30.5-1.pet that works fine with 431. It appeared to install fine but it would not work.

The xorg video wizard hung up.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Oct 2009, 17:00    Post subject:  

@Jim

A very similar experience to mine.

It's only a snapshot though, so these things are only to be expected.

The priority here is to test the build system. Once that gets sorted, the rest will follow.

Barry is the only one who really understands the Woof build system well enough to fix the bugs. In time, others will also gain enough background to be able to tackle build system bugs.

In the meantime, I'll have a rummage around in the 0setup script and see if I can spot where it's going awry.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Oct 2009, 18:45    Post subject:  

Yes... xorg problems here too with a raedon 9200 pro. Installed Patriot's recent driver ans found no difference. Back to x-vesa Sad .

But you are correct tronkel, only a snapshot so really it's only something to play with.. the build system is the testing part as you said.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Oct 2009, 19:57    Post subject:  

tronkel 01micko jim1911 , for my hd3850 xorgwizard selected "fbdev" which would not start X. I edited xorg.conf and inserted "radeon" as driver and for some reason X then started but changed radeon to vesa! You could probably start by changing xorg.conf driver directly to vesa I bet. Once I was running in vesa it was hard to look at the 60Hz crt screen of course. I went to Ubuntu Packages (search) and downloaded the "xserver_xorg_radeonhd..." driver as a deb. I clicked to install the deb and I can't remember if I had to manually change the xorg.conf to radeonhd (I think I did), but that makes it run correctly at 75Hz. I am using it now. There were at least three possible xorg drivers, ati, radeon, and radeonhd. In Patriot's drivers for 4.3.1 it is the radeon that works, but in 4.3.2 it is the radeonhd that works for me. GLX is still not working though--Barry has no xorg_full pet prepared and I haven't searched out an equivalent in Ubuntu.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/ --> Ubuntu Packages

On another topic: I have tested the SRWare Iron and Chromium browsers and both work out of the box in 4.32. Puppy now runs the two fastest Linux browsers. I have also tested Seamonkey 2 and it works. Firefox 3.6b2pre, Swiftfox 3.5.3, and Firefox 3.5.3 all run out of the box in 4.76 so I expect them to here also. None of these browsers ran out of the box in Puppy 4.3.1. Forgive me if I sound excited Wink

Console runs for me, also seamonkey 1.1.18.

I had to add integer.pm and base.pm in order to install and run Crossover, but I have always had to do that. Crossover is running fine so I guess wine will also.
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Oct 2009, 00:53    Post subject:  

early days Smile

Reading the posts here I was aware of the potential graphics problems
and so tested (rather than just running my default preference)

I was able to run at 1280x1024 without editing the graphics text file on my Geforce 7050 using xorg without problem Cool

The first thing I tested was the package manager
Clicking on installing a package puts up errors about files not being available

The new menu is simplifying things by adding another tier and I hope dpup and spup (and others) adopt a standard menu for Puppy 5 Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Oct 2009, 02:14    Post subject:  

Puppy has an older xorg, and nvidia driver must be compatible with both the kernel and the installed xorg.

No wonder the 4.3 pets don't work with upup ...
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Oct 2009, 04:55    Post subject:  

Thanks Playdayz!

That got the Radeon card going OK
The other problems, no internet and no console were due to a very knackered live cd that I burned. I should really post a photo of it - very ugly!

So upup-karmic is now looking very useful.

will try a upup Woof build later today.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Oct 2009, 07:50    Post subject:  

tronkel wrote:
Just tried to build a Debian pup using karmic woof

Didn't get far:

Quote:
Press any printable char to check if PET pkgs in local db files
actually exist on Internet host site.
WARNING: THIS TAKES A LONG TIME, RECOMMEND BYPASS
or ENTER only to bypass check:

[A package information database file needs to be downloaded.
This will be downloaded from:
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/karmic/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
and will be processed and named Packages-debian-karmic-main.
Press ENTER key to download, any other to abort:
Failed to download, aborting.
#


LOL look at the download path name - a mixture of Debian and Karmic! Now there's an idea for Mark Shuttleworth!

Quote:
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/karmic/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2


Would have helped if you had changed "karmic" to "lenny" in the first tab of the GUI. There is even a pull-down list so you can choose "lenny". After all, if you were able to change the distro choice from "ubuntu" to "debian" then it also follows that you choose an appropriate release of Debian.

Excuse me, ...no, I won't be blunt. "Bite my tongue".

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Oct 2009, 07:55    Post subject:  

To do a Debian Lenny Upup build will require a lot of setting up.
If you are just looking at Woof casually, don't bother.

The Woof snapshot is setup for building Karmic Koala Upup only. It should also be able to build Ppup 4.3.1.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Oct 2009, 09:33    Post subject:  

Couldn't get the Woof GUI to start when making a Dpup build, so I used the scripts directly. Eventually noticed that the version should also have been changed to Lenny in the config file.

Quote:
./woof_gui: line 13: ./DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-debian-lenny: No such file or directory


I'm nearly through building a Dpup. I'm missing the latest Rox 2.9 though. Can't seem to find it in the Ibiblio repo though. Is it available anywhere?

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Oct 2009, 13:06    Post subject:  

No wonder the woof_gui wouldn't start.

Gtkdialog3 seemed to have gone awol in Karmic pup from where I was building the Dpup. I first noticed this when the pet package manager wouldn't start - it also needs gtkdialog3.

So yes, the woof-gui does look interesting. I'll give this a go very soon

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Oct 2009, 16:02    Post subject:  

Hi

jim1911 wrote:

Also had a problem with xorg detecting my NVIDIA Geforce 8400 card. Finally was able to get it to work with xvesa which is unacceptable.


I had a similar problem with my NVIDIA Geforce FX5200, and have to agree that xvesa is unacceptable,
things (icons for instance) appeared to look slightly squashed (heightwise).

So i restarted afresh, and made the following choices:

<Xorg > ---→ 1680x1050x24 ---→ < TEST > ---→ < TEST_X_NOW >
< Tweak > ---→ <Edit_xorg.conf> ---→ < OK >
Changed this:
Code:

Driver      "nouveau" #card0driver

to this:
Code:

Driver      "nv" #card0driver

Then did Ctrl+s (to Save) and Ctrl+q (to Quit)
< TEST_X_NOW > Up popped the window with the message "Puppy Xorg Video Wizard: testing X etc etc"
Did the Crtl+Alt+Backspace
<FINISHED> ---→ <DONE >

Up came the desktop, looking a lot better than it did previously using xvesa.

Hope this helps
CatDude
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Oct 2009, 16:49    Post subject:  

Catdude,

Thanks for the Driver suggestion and the clear explanation of what needed to be done to change the driver. It worked for my NVIDIA Geforce 8400 card also.

Jim
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