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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 06:56    Post subject:  

Is this the thread I am supposed to post in?

I am testing dpup-494beta4-2.6.30.5.iso

and it lack the codecs for the mplayer.

I had them in other puppies but packet manager don't find them for this one. The mplayer plug in is lacking too.

Is this not the dpup I am supposed to use. Are there another one that has access to the usual 431codecs?

Hm I guess the D stand for Debian and them maybe are purist and dont' allow codecs that are proprietary? Is that the reason they lacks in rep?

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 08:39    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
Is this the thread I am supposed to post in?

I am testing dpup-494beta4-2.6.30.5.iso
Where did you get that one?
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 09:35    Post subject:  

Not sure. I had it on my usb pin too. I must have used the google search on puppy.
And there I wrote pup nop and a lot of answers and I read and read and then gave up and clicked on a link and installed first with unetbooin on an usb and then when I got upset of Stardust failing to mount usb then I searched for a puppy that could mount usb from internal hdd and this one could and also could do mplayer plug in
but sadly it has Opera instead of Firefox and it take up more of the RAM too.

Stardust let me have 1.5 to 1GB free mem wile NOP let me have only 485 to 190 free.

so what is taking up so much space?

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 11:41    Post subject:  

[quote="nooby"
Stardust let me have 1.5 to 1GB free mem wile NOP let me have only 485 to 190 free.

so what is taking up so much space?
[/quote]
hmmm have you tried 2.14X, it should give you about 2GB free ram.
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 12:28    Post subject:  

I am not used to that numbers series did they not have four files while three and 4 has only three files. I don't remember how one make use of them in a subdirectoru. As I remember something of them need to be root and only one or two files can be a subdirectory. All my puppies are in a sub.

The 214x is that the one with latest kernel from 2009 instead of some kernel from 2008?

Is this the one you have newly taking out and modernized. You gave no link to the thread presenting it. I am very bad at searching.

why do you want me to test it. I want a 431 that works out of the box.
Stardust could not mount an ordinary usv flash mem so can not use that one.


edit

I guess you refer to this one then

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42553

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 12:44    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
I am not used to that numbers series did they not have four files while three and 4 has only three files. I don't remember how one make use of them in a subdirectoru. As I remember something of them need to be root and only one or two files can be a subdirectory. All my puppies are in a sub.

The 214x is that the one with latest kernel from 2009 instead of some kernel from 2008?

Is this the one you have newly taking out and modernized. You gave no link to the thread presenting it. I am very bad at searching.

why do you want me to test it. I want a 431 that works out of the box.
Stardust could not mount an ordinary usv flash mem so can not use that one.


edit

I guess you refer to this one then

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42553


yes that one, Smile see you found it no problem Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 12:55    Post subject:  

Can you confirm that it need to have initrd and vmlinuz on the root but allow to have the sfs in a subdir? but what shall I write in the grub4dos?
I test it now within 20 minutes so tell what I write in menu.lst please

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 13:03    Post subject:  

hi never tried grub4dos just burn it to a cdrw and test it live with
puppy pfix=ram

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 13:15    Post subject:  

But what am I supposed to write in a menu.lst
even if you have not somebody else may have
and does the wmlinux and initrd need to be in root?
or can they me in a subdirectory. Do I have to do a pmedia something.

It tried to boot but got into kernel panic at Usage init.

I try this one
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=311479#311479

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 14:00    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
But what am I supposed to write in a menu.lst
even if you have not somebody else may have
and does the wmlinux and initrd need to be in root?
or can they me in a subdirectory. Do I have to do a pmedia something.

It tried to boot but got into kernel panic at Usage init.

I try this one
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=311479#311479

Maybe we should take this over to the 2.14X thread, we are kind of talking about things that aren't related to dpup and well I don't know how gposil feels about taking over his thread Smile I started a link at http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=394034#394034
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 14:47    Post subject:  

That is more correct and polite yes.

I try some of the menu.lst examples and see what happen. Almsot two hours now. This one is not as easy as the pup431 series. I failed using it 2008 too.

the easiest menu.lst text worked right away. I guess I test the other one also just in case but write on the thread you linked to

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 23:01    Post subject:
Subject description: dancing with sub-directories :)
 

Hi, nooby.

Here's my entry for dpup 484 in grub's menu.lst. It's basically the same for grub4dos or other version.

Code:

title      dpup-484
root      (hd0,4)
kernel      /dpup484/lancement/vmlinuz max_loop=14 pfix=fsck root=/dev/ram0 acpi=-on pfix=copy pmedia=idehd pdev=sda5 psubdir=dpup484 loglevel=3
initrd      /dpup484/lancement/initrd.gz
boot


hd0 is the first disk drive, /mnt/sda in linux lingo
4 is the 5th partition, /mntsda5 in linux lingo

to run any frugal installation of puppy properly from grub, you need:
to create a directory for the puppy, in this case: /dpup484

to launch the linux kernel properly you need to create a sub-directory like
/dpup484/lancement [lancement means launch in French, but the name of this subdirectory doesn't matter, you could call it bebop or rocknroll or salsa Smile

in linux lingo, grub sees this :
1) the drive
2) the partition
3) /mnt/sda5/grunge/vmlinuz and launches it with your chosen parameters
4) /mnt/sda5/grunge/initrd.gz (the linux kernel ramdrive)

Now the ball is in the linux court, grub has finished its work.
So, the last two lines (3 and 4) find the dpup484.sfs file and launch it, and you're now entirely in puppyinux.

I hope I've thoroughly confused you! Wink

Incidentally, concentrating on the use of grub to launch dpup makes it ok to talk about it in the dpup thread, no?

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Feb 2010, 01:01    Post subject:  

Hi Christian,

oops maybe we derail the thread, strictly it is for reporting bugs and experiences of how it works?


your menu.lst is like this

Quote:
title dpup-484
root (hd0,4)
kernel /dpup484/lancement/vmlinuz max_loop=14 pfix=fsck root=/dev/ram0 acpi=-on pfix=copy pmedia=idehd pdev=sda5 psubdir=dpup484 loglevel=3
initrd /dpup484/lancement/initrd.gz
boot


Mine is like this

Quote:
title dpup-484beta4-2.6.30.5.iso

find --set-root /dpup/vmlinuz
kernel /dpup/vmlinuz psubdir=dpup
initrd /dpup/initrd.gz
boot



Could you tell me more about this one: max_loop=14 pfix=fsck

Why does this one need to be on? acpi=-on is it not on by default?

And what does pfix=copy do?

What does loglevel=3 accomplish?

I guess your version boot faster than mine. Mine has to search a lot on its own. I got mine from two sources. Pendrivelinux and the source they got it from.

I just borrowed it. I don't understand it. I just looked around until I found something that worked on my gear.

thanks for sharing the menu.lst that is a good way to learn for me.
To understand why others do things a better way. So do tell me more. [/quote]

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Feb 2010, 06:45    Post subject:  

Hello, again, nooby.

Terribly sorry, my "kernel" line should have looked like this:

Code:
kernel      /dpup484/lancement/vmlinuz max_loop=14 pfix=copy,fsck root=/dev/ram0 pmedia=idehd pdev=sda5 psubdir=dpup484 loglevel=3


Thanks for pointing it out to me.

"pfix=fsck" means to check / defragment the sfs file during the boot process.
"pfix=copy" means copy to ram and restore saves (not really necessary)
You can add the two in the form:
Code:
pfix=copy,fsck


"max_loop=14" means to use as many as 14 loops (or additional sfs files) in the bootmanager. You can have a maximum of 28.

As you can see, I removed acpi=-on. The acpi parameter is for power saving, but this form is wrong. It should be acpi=off if you do not want to activate the power saving feature of your computer. I don't remember why I had put it there. If you don't put it in the boot-up parameters, the computer uses the default from the BIOS.

"loglevel=3" is the degree of information you want the boot process to give you back when it is in activity.

From http://puppylinux.com/download/release-2.11.htm:
Quote:
This tells the kernel to only report serious errors to the console... [a note from BK for an old version of Puppy]

I hope this is clearer.

For a more complete discussion of the boot parameters in puppy, please see here: http://puppylinux.org/wikka/BootParams

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Feb 2010, 07:00    Post subject:  

Thanks, now I know more.

I must have donesomething wrong when I tested pulp it got into kernel panic and then this also made dpup to go into kernel panic but both NOP and stardust did survive. So not sure what I made wrong that the first two malfunctioned at same time.

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