dpup-482beta testing

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gposil · #766 Post by **gposil** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 04:05

Amongst other things, i'm just finishing the final commits for beta5...see below.

I'd like to get a general consensus as to Dpup's default start mode,

Do we want standard Puppy Desktop Icons as the default or Wbar as default. (These are all changeable in First Start Wizard as seen below also). Remember, that with beta5 you have the chance to Re-run First Start Wizard, any time you want to change something...

Could everyone let me know their opinion.

Cheers
Guy

#767 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 04:35

I'm for icons on the desktop, wbar looks like it would fit better as an option that you could enable

ttuuxxx

01micko · #768 Post by **01micko** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 05:24

I'm with ttuuxxx.

Icons are better for noobs IMHO.

Cheers

vtpup · #769 Post by **vtpup** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 06:21

I think icons on the desktop would be more helpful for first time users.

musher0 · #770 Post by **musher0** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 07:18

Hello, all.

I'm for a clean screen with no icons. The wbar would be just on top of the jwm panel at the bottom of the screen, and all the usual PuppyPin icons would be transfered to a ROX-panel appearing at top of screen on startup.

This would maintain accessibility of programs for newbies, while being a real looker if we choose an inspiring backdrop.

My two cents.

01micko · #771 Post by **01micko** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 07:28

hi

Just giving beta 4 it's maiden spin on my son's Thinkpad R61e. One thing we discovered with this unit is that no puppy will boot from CD when the thing is running on DC power (ie battery). Ain't that weird? Other than that, once I plugged in the AC supply I booted to dpup and posting from it now. No apparent problems, all acpi stuff seems to work fine.

On a side note, my son thinks wbar is way cool! His first view of dpup.. he's 12 and has been running Puppy for a year now, he thinks it's way faster than Vi$ta!

Cheers

#772 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 07:33

also I'm not a newbeee but I just like icons better, more old-school. Maybe its because they are bigger or easily remembered, or configured, Wbar just doesn't do it for me, I'm sure others think its the best thing since sliced bread etc.
ttuuxxx

#773 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 07:39

01micko wrote:hi

he thinks it's way faster than Vi$ta!

Cheers

Hmmm I've been running puppy on wife's pc for 2 days now,
Puppy is faster than xp if xp is loaded say with anitvirus, antispyware, autodefrag, running and say you click office or word. Plus bejeweled 2 runs like a dream on puppy with wine, on xp it would stutter once in a while, and Word loads about 10X times faster, But If you removed all anti stuff and freedup resources I would think it would be a very close race, as for Vista, heck ya, Vista was extremely large compared to puppy.
Anyways it sounds like you have a bright boy micko, liking Puppy over Vista.
ttuuxxx

James C · #774 Post by **James C** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 08:00

Here's another vote for having the icons on startup.

One of the things Puppy is known for, good or bad, is the desktop icons. It's easy enough to change to wbar in the first start wizard.

James C · #775 Post by **James C** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 08:21

Running now in icewm........it's good to have an easy option to change window managers.

Good job.

dejan555 · #776 Post by **dejan555** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 08:40

Icons or no icons, hmmm difficult to decide xD

01micko · #777 Post by **01micko** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 08:53

ttuuxxx wrote: Anyways it sounds like you have a bright boy micko, liking Puppy over Vista.
ttuuxxx

I try to encourage him to do some things in vista, only because that is what they are teaching in schools (

), but for pleasure it's puppy all the way. He plays heaps of online flash games. Who can afford proprietary games anyway?

He is now an official dpup tester. His mate has an Apple and now he thinks he's just as cool because he has Wbar! Wait til he find's out that he is actually way more cool!

Atm, I'm teaching him about the terminal emulator. His eyes lit up when I typed 'firefox' in Console and magically Firefox started.

. Once he realises he can start anything from a basic command and perhaps some options then I'll get him onto some basic scripting.

. (Pizzasgood... watch out!

)

Cheers

#778 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 10:04

Hi micko I would stop letting him learn vista straight away, hmmmm last weekend I could of bought a OEM windows 7 for $107 or a pro version like for $50 more, Only because I built a new pc for a buddy and had the option at the time. Something like that would be better learned since vista was a flop and a dead version now since Win7 is much better all around I guess. Well thats what I've been reading, I only used Vista for about 1 week when it came out and quickly sold my copy and upgrade to Xp

Then upgraded to puppy on that pc

lol
ttuuxxx

Jim1911 · #779 Post by **Jim1911** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 14:05

Looks fine, although on first start I will select all three options.

I do believe that numlock on should be default. There are probably more desktops than laptops in service and it apparently is a problem for only a few of those. No problem on my old Sony laptop.

Thanks for making it simple for all of us to get what we prefer.

2byte · #780 Post by **2byte** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 17:47

Last plug for unrpm script. A lot of people use this, to install open office for example. Most of these will install ttuuxxx's pet if it's not default in dpup. The pet puts unrpm and undeb in my-applications/bin instead of /usr/bin, so there will be two undebs in different places. Also installed is dpkg-deb2. I'm not in dpup atm so don't know if that is another issue.

Icons. My vote is clean desktop, but if you are going for noobee friendly they won't know what a wbar is.
.

#781 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 18:12

If wbar pops-up over everything when the top of the screen (or what ever side wbar is configured to) I vote for wbar.

I remember this handy functionality in the muppies of MU.

2byte · #782 Post by **2byte** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 18:27

gposil,

I saw your pics of the new control panel in another thread and noticed that you have a screensaver icon but nothing for the mouse and keyboard. Assuming you are keeping the screensaver from beta4 (I hope) a nice addition would be an icon for the mouse and keyboard. This could be a link to pupX with the screensaver tab removed. I removed the tab in my beta4 just by deleting all lines with 'screensaver' from the pupX script.

Just a suggestion.

#783 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 19:31

@Guy (and others who are interested)

I appreciate the efforts you make on this issue.
The extra 256MB could make a difference.
(Do you have a Belgian keyb as well?

)

You will be more stumped.

I use the Lin'N'Win method, you booted from CD.
I don't do that any more, but for this occasion I created a CD and booted from it.
Config of keyb, X, locale, time zone and network went well and I rebooted.
This time I got the option to create a save file.
After the reboot from the CD I selected that newly created save file.
But instead of the desktop, I got the cmd prompt.
When typing xorgwizard I realized that my machine wasn't in the Belgian keyboard but the US one.
So apparently all the config done before wasn't retained.
So now I am stumped as well.

From the cmd prompt I could save the bootxxxx.log files, in case that might be interesting to look at.

Happy reading.

2byte · #784 Post by **2byte** » Mon 23 Nov 2009, 20:45

Béèm,

Since you use the Lin'N'Win method, have you tried defragging your Windows hard drive before creating the save file? It's a long shot but you never know.

gposil · #785 Post by **gposil** » Tue 24 Nov 2009, 00:34

2byte wrote:gposil,

I saw your pics of the new control panel in another thread and noticed that you have a screensaver icon but nothing for the mouse and keyboard. Assuming you are keeping the screensaver from beta4 (I hope) a nice addition would be an icon for the mouse and keyboard. This could be a link to pupX with the screensaver tab removed. I removed the tab in my beta4 just by deleting all lines with 'screensaver' from the pupX script.

Just a suggestion.

Yes 2byte...already in beta5...

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