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musher0


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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 19:52    Post subject:  

Hi, ttuuxx, cher compatriote.

Long time no see! The following is intended as a joke... I can't resist, although it might cost me... Smile

Between you and me, ttuuxx, if you're so anti-bling, someone under Ubuntu influence has written... INX. http://inx.maincontent.net/

Try it! Maybe emulate it? Really no bling at all!

But seriously, in your post above, I understand that you might feel a responsibility to affirm a sort of "Puppy party line" as to "non-blingness". The reality is that Puppyists will adapt yours or Barry's or any other Puppy to suit their needs. To me, there are three main needs on a desktop:
1* easy access to programs
2* quick monitoring of computer functions
3* backdrops potentially reflecting your mood or a quest for beauty.

In my opinion, a good distro should offer a good balance between the three elements. I will venture to say that factory issue Puppies often lack in no 2.

Each user should be able to decide the balance between those three (s)he's comfortable with. Some will go spartan and opt for musca or aewm as a wm, others prefer their desktop to be crowded (or blingy) as in some renditions of KDE or gnome or what have you. Some users prioritize monitoring over access to programs, and that's fine too. Some like it hot, some like it cold.

In my opinion, the job of a top-level Puppy programmer (I'm speaking in general terms, this is not at all personal) is not to impose his choices, but on the contrary to provide many choices for fellow users. Suggest is the key word here.

Frankly, it does not matter how the programming guru dresses up his own desktop for his own private use. In his private computer life, he may like blingy or minimalistic. That's his business. To impose it on other users, however? No. To suggest, yes. As the author or co-author of a distribution, he should remain selfless and provide as many choices as feasible to the user.

What the user wants from the programming guru is choice, and furthermore ease of choice: to be blingy or spartan, if the user wants to be, it should not matter to the "guru".

Choices mean efficiency. If "Jo" is efficient blingy, so be it. If "Gert" is efficient with a minimalist desktop, so be it. (Fictitious names, of course.) The most knowledgeable guys in the Puppy distribution chain should be perceptive and psychologists enough to recognize that trait of human nature and provide choices.

A testimony to that freedom is the unstoppable flux of puplets that the more knowledgeable puppy-ists turn out every year.

I will be frank with you: I felt that Puppy 4.2 and Puppy 4.2.1 had the above balance right. To me, it wasn't blingy at all. It provided ease of access, monitoring at a glance and a choice of nice backdrops. Sorry if that ruffles your feathers the wrong way, but that's how I felt about it.

As well, if the developers of dpup think wbar should be on the desktop, why not? If you personally wouldn't like wbar to be included in the final Puppy 5 version, at least have the elegant gesture of offering a choice for it, because, as you can see, some people like it. Maybe I don't particularly like it, maybe you don't, but that is none of our business. Some people like it.

Only my two cents, and with all due respect for your past and present contributions, of course. Sorry if the above sounds like hitting on a nail, but I felt it needed to be said.

All the best.

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 20:08    Post subject:  

My comments are, by the way, sometimes passionate, but I don't mean them negatively. So I hope no one will take any offense if I occasionally argue a point.

I think this is a great branch of the Puppy tree so far, very exciting, and I'm very happy to be able to use it in whatever form it takes. I know I have the ability to modify it to my own taste, and so some of these viewpoints I'm expressing are more for the sake of presenting what I imagine I would think if I were new to this, rather than as an everyday user. Of course we all imagine that in different ways. Anyway, thanks for allowing various viewpoints.

I really like dpup.
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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 20:34    Post subject:  

Hi guys and gals

As an up and coming Puppy developer I have learnt that you must cop criticism on the chin and take the positive out of it, no matter how negative. I suppose that can be true of most things in life.

Criticism is usually what a dev hears. If he/she hears nothing then it is probably a good app! Without criticism, how can a dev improve his/her apps? We need to be told of the tiniest bugs. Even if you never post on the forum, I have started making a habit of putting my gmail address inside the scripts so people can email me their thoughts, along with a link to the GPL licence, and a disclaimer.

I must agree with you vtpup, dpup is becoming one nice Puppy Smile . I spend about 60% of my time in it, the other 40% is split between 4.3 and Slaxer_Pup and occasionally 4.2.1.

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 20:44    Post subject:  

I have learnt over too many years to remember(as a commercial software developer) to regard all comments, whether they be criticism or praise as valid input in the creative process...

It is impossible to be everything to everyone, but we can offer choice, and I actually agree that getting too blingy is a mistake, but the option will be there if you want it...it's only a few lines of code to give us options...Dpup is now as blingy as it will get as long as I am still developing it...All we have to do is make sure that the bling is easily installable for those that want it...After all is said and done, Puppy has always been about versatility and choice, and I hope that never changes.

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 20:47    Post subject:  

Will dpup be integrated in Puppy 5 final or will it remain a separate distro ?
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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 21:08    Post subject:  

Wbar testers

I need to know if after you install wbar-setup-alpha-0.0.2.pet that you have a directory /root/mydocuments/wbar-backup containing the files wstart and .wbar (that's *dot*wbar, not fly poo on your screen, hidden file). There is a post install script that produces that folder, I need to know if it is working because I had a report that it doesn't, but it works for me.

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 21:16    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Will dpup be integrated in Puppy 5 final or will it remain a separate distro ?


Barry's intention was that Puppy 5.0 would be 4 releases, Upup, Dpup Tpup and PPup...I don't think that has changed.

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 21:20    Post subject:  

Hi 01micko,

No folders or files, hidden or otherwise, are added to my /root/mydocuments directory.

Jim
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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 21:21    Post subject:  

Jim1911 wrote:
Hi 01micko,

No folders or files, hidden or otherwise, are added to my /root/mydocuments directory.

Jim


Thanks Jim.. time to track that fly .. er bug..

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 21:22    Post subject:  

Jim1911 wrote:
Hi 01micko,

No folders or files, hidden or otherwise, are added to my /root/mydocuments directory.

Jim
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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 21:28    Post subject:  

gposil wrote:
musher0 wrote:
Will dpup be integrated in Puppy 5 final or will it remain a separate distro ?


Barry's intention was that Puppy 5.0 would be 4 releases, Upup, Dpup Tpup and PPup...I don't think that has changed.


I see. Thanks for the info. BFN.

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 21:31    Post subject:  

No files or folders in that location either..... Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 22:00    Post subject:  

To gposil and vtpup.

Please set me straight:

Does / will ttuuxx have a vetting capacity over dpup? (That's the impression his post about wbar left me with.) Will anyone be vetting / editing the final dpup? Or are you two vetting dpup along the way? Or "vetting" is not the Puppy way of doing things?

Sincerely,

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 22:07    Post subject:  

Oh dear! What a dill! Embarassed Um, in the wbar-setup-alpha-0.0.2.pet "pinstall" should have been "pinstall.sh". Sorry. Please delete "/pinstall". I suppose this is why we have alphas.. Rolling Eyes

New pet up soon with a couple more bugfixes.

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Oct 2009, 22:42    Post subject:  

Ok then Wbar testers... here is a new pet.

Changes
    -new pinstall.sh script [ Rolling Eyes Laughing ]
    -changed the opacity settings such that they remember their values
    -added config file such that there are values already there when you open the geometry gui


Er, the backup files and the symlink should be ok now, so that the panic button will work (I wish I had a panic button when making guis to make it all better Laughing )

Cheer

Have fun Wink

Edit... New improved version http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=357243#357243

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