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Which Puppy can use a big repository?
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zenfunk

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Oct 2009, 16:50    Post subject:  Which Puppy can use a big repository?  

Haven't been around for a while. Job, holiday, relationship kept me busy. Anyways, I'm in the mood of creating another puplet.
This time it should be about sailing boating and amateur radio software. Installed on an old laptop will be like an instant onboard computer- will be great.

However. I don't want to go through the tedious job of endless forum searches, looking on various dotpup and .pet sites for my packages.

As I said I haven't been in the forum much lately, so I'm not very familliar with the current status of dpup, slaxer pup, u-pup etc. I know that the 3.01 series are somehow slackware 12.0 compatible. How far ahead ar the woof builds- are they useable? What works and what not.

Thank you very much in advance for your input.

Christian
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PupGeek

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Oct 2009, 18:07    Post subject:  

The Puppy 4.x series can use slackware 12 binaries. you can install the Slapt-get pet for it and get all the slackware tarballs you need. I tried the 'woof' thing and it just gave me more errors than I had the patience for, considering I didn't really need to build a new puppy from the ground up. I find that the basic remaster tool is plenty sufficient for my needs.
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disciple

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Oct 2009, 19:46    Post subject:  

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The Puppy 4.x series can use slackware 12 binaries.

Puppy 4.x is only designed to use Puppy 4.x binaries. It is coincidental that it can run some binaries from Slackware/Fedora/Debian/whatever.

Some people are running various different builds of Woof, I think mainly dpup and upup, but I think the only one that is a proper release (rather than being intended more for testing) is built from T2, which wouldn't be what you want.
Barry was talking about releasing a Ubuntu built at the same time and compatible with the next Ubuntu release, which is fairly soon.

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PupGeek

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Oct 2009, 07:50    Post subject:  

Actually, I run a lot of slackware binaries in puppy 4.2. I also run plenty of .deb's as well.... what really matters is what kernel they were compiled for. I sometimes even import some of the software from my ArtistX LiveDVD into puppy 4.2, as they have very close kernel versions (Puppy's 2.6.25.16 and ArtistX's 2.6.25.2). I will admit that sometimes it does not work but if I boot up with a pfix=ram, then I have nothing to lose by trying anyways.
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Oct 2009, 08:02    Post subject:  

Yes... in my experience the kernel doesn't actually affect most programs, but the versions of other libraries and what options they were compiled with does, and woe betide anybody who wants to borrow from Ubuntu, as they seem to ADD dependencies for their packages.
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zenfunk

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Oct 2009, 06:29    Post subject:  

OK, I finally made the jump and tried out dpup. So far I'm impressed I must say. No problem in using the debian repositories, dependencies are resolved nicely- congratulations to the builders. I was able install a dozen apps or so in no time. Something that would have cost me weeks in traditional puppy.

You know the drill- hunt down the devx.sfs, 'mount' it, reboot, try to compile.... doesn't work of course... go to the forums, ask Tuuxxx, MU or someone of the regulars to package it for you... wait a couple of hours (Thanks a lot to you all- great community), download, install - bingo, next app.....(repeat).

Please don't take the above paragraph seriously- it's meant mostly ironic. Wink

Cheers, Christian
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PupGeek

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Oct 2009, 16:39    Post subject:  

yes disciple, definitely true with the libraries. I gotta confess that my new favorite way to add software is from a live cd/dvd...... real cheesy workaround to installing packages..... I just make a directory in /root/my-roxapps named after the app, include a usr directory containing the bin, lib, and share directories and just mount the live dvd's squashfs and copy and paste the app and dependencies..... I write an AppRun to export the paths and test the program from the CLI and it tells me what dependencies it needs..... no risk of messing up my existing puppy that way and if I put the roxapp together with a plain puppy session I can include ALL dependencies for convenience's sake. I am thinking of adding a function in the AppRun (or maybe a separate script) that will offer the option of installing the program or running it as a roxapp as well. And if the roxapp becomes too big, I just make the main app directory into a .sfs file and have the AppRun script mount it then run from the mount point.
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Oct 2009, 16:46    Post subject:  

zenfunk wrote:
You know the drill- hunt down the devx.sfs, 'mount' it, reboot, try to compile.... doesn't work of course... go to the forums, ask Tuuxxx, MU or someone of the regulars to package it for you... wait a couple of hours (Thanks a lot to you all- great community), download, install - bingo, next app.....(repeat).



LOL! zen...... I never had any luck compiling from source on puppy or very many other distros for that matter..... Check out my post above for a real cheesy workaround to that problem..... Be sure the kernels are very close and also that the kernel for the livecd containing the app you want is not newer than your puppy kernel though.
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