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On-line banking: How safe is it?
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Aitch


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 17:27    Post subject:  

KittyCat

Since this is an off-topic thread, I simply must add.....

No-one actually NEEDS Internet Explorer, that's just part of the myth machine

Firefox & seamonkey can both appear to be IE with a little help from this

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59

http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/

Then you just browse as if you were using it....

OK?

btw if you must use 'that OS', use sandboxIE in Firefox for safer browsing for all banking/chat/email sessions

http://www.sandboxie.com/

plenty of Firefox/Firepup links on the forum

Aitch Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 17:38    Post subject:  

This is one of those issues where the amount of work to put in seems a bit disproportionate to the need for doing it... Razz

I lock my house at night, and where I live that keeps me safe. Three big dogs, six guns, and a home security system wouldn't make me any more safe than I already am, it would only make it look safer. I have no need for the illusion of additional safety, and no ideological stake in the issue either. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 17:43    Post subject:  

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btw if you must use 'that OS', use sandboxIE for safer browsing for all banking/chat/email sessions

http://www.sandboxie.com/

bit of a con really...you cannot sandbox an operating system except in a virtual machine...now there's one solution Smile

clue...run process explorer and see what explorer is using....not to mention other apps. I repeat... Internet explorer is always present...it is NOT a separate progam but an entanglement of active x controls linked to the operating system...another myth.

mike

Oh opened a 50% extra can of worms Very Happy
Perhaps we should have a section for making windows truely safe as a service to puppy users. By the way had 6 years malware etc free with windows using no anti anything software .
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 17:46    Post subject:  

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This is one of those issues where the amount of work to put in seems a bit disproportionate to the need for doing it...

Take 5 minutes...less time than it takes to install say norton.
Takes less 30 secs to boot XP on a 700MHz machine..now that's a time saver.
Actually I'm posting for the benefit of anyone else who wants to get sorted ... I'm surprised you bothered with puppy which took you much effort.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 19:17    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
Actually I'm posting for the benefit of anyone else who wants to get sorted ... I'm surprised you bothered with puppy which took you much effort.


But Puppy is a fascinating new toy to play with and learn from. Smile

Messing with IE on the other hand... that just sounds boring. Razz By now you're hopefully realizing that I'm not entirely serious. It's primarily a combination of laziness and complacency. There's no urgent need for me to remove IE, especially not since there still unfortunately are websites that requires it.

Sony's Support website for requesting repairs of out-of-warranty products works great in Firefox, up until the point where you enter your credit card to pay the service fee for the repair... entering the information works, but submitting it doesn't. So I'm keeping IE on my system, since they're far from the only site out there that's set up that way.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 19:42    Post subject:  

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Sony's Support website for requesting repairs of out-of-warranty products works great in Firefox, up until the point where you enter your credit card to pay the service fee for the repair...


Ok you tempted me again....sony and microsoft work closely together....funny how tiny little one man band companies can get their checkouts working on all browsers but a multi billion blah company cannot....write and complain that their service is deficiant and demand a reason for using non standard code on their site.
Their build quality is awful now, and their software stinks....now you have several reasons to avoid thier products Very Happy ...and that is being serious....been stung too many times by that company.

...looking forward to the next subject whilst being stalked...

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 20:02    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
Their build quality is awful now, and their software stinks....now you have several reasons to avoid thier products Very Happy ...and that is being serious....been stung too many times by that company.


DirectX and the closest we can come to a standard platform makes PC gaming both possible and easier, and to me, the primary use for a Windows PC is to play games, all else is secondary. So for making life easier for the PC game developers, my thanks to Microsoft. (Don't ask me about the 360 though.)

As for Sony... the PS2 and the PS3 are still by far my favorite two consoles and the earphones I had to send in for repair remain outstanding. Not to mention what you can do with a properly modded PSP.

I have lots of reasons to dislike the two companies but I still enjoy far too many of their products to pretend I have something solidly serious against them. Yes, they annoy me. Enough to boycott them? Hardly. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 20:10    Post subject:  

Well principles can be tricky. I didn't mention drm.

Have you tried windows games on wine with opengl enabled...they play rather well ...not all but a good selection.

Also there are emulators for the playstation that are pretty good too Smile ..no more tv, console and discs.

I think the topic should be changed to 'Whatever' Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 20:16    Post subject:  

If you were dumb enough to use IE, you might try one of these.


"""""""""
Is there a linux version for Firefox?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419

or

Coral IE Tab

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10909

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Personally I would use Returnil in Windows...free version.
There are plenty of add ons that take away explorer.

This was the first IE remover...for Win98...and now XP.
Note he was an Aussie too.
So smart his first IE remover could fit onto a floppy
4 times. He made MS a laughing stock,
Wasn't even a programmer.

http://www.litepc.com/

Returnil:

http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com/products

Free version....bottom of page.

Chris.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 20:41    Post subject:  

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Personally I would use Returnil in Windows...free version.
There are plenty of add ons that take away explorer.

This was the first IE remover...for Win98...and now XP.
Note he was an Aussie too.
So smart his first IE remover could fit onto a floppy
4 times. He made MS a laughing stock,
Wasn't even a programmer.

http://www.litepc.com/


the man...yay

his xp/2000 stuff is pretty good. I prefer altering the install to not install in the first place...I have a great fileset for 2000. Nlite can do it for XP but never used it

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 21:29    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
Have you tried windows games on wine with opengl enabled...they play rather well ...not all but a good selection.


"Rather well", yes, but not good enough. Not always soon enough after release either.

mikeb wrote:
Also there are emulators for the playstation that are pretty good too Smile ..no more tv, console and discs.


Yeah, why on earth would I want to watch BluRay movies or play inFamous or Bioshock on a 61-inch TV in full 1080p? Razz

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 21:34    Post subject:  

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Yeah, why on earth would I want to watch BluRay movies or play inFamous or Bioshock on a 61-inch TV in full 1080p?

was only a suggestion...the peasant shall remain quiet Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2009, 00:01    Post subject: Safe Browsing with Puppy Linux
Subject description: Use Puppy, Boot from DVD, Remove the Hard Drive, Use Multisession Updates
 

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I plan on using a LiveCD from now on when I am doing any kind on-line banking or retail transaction.


sunburnt wrote:
Hi Flash; Or another possibility would be to have Puppy boot without the Save file.


I do not agree.

Booting from a hard drive is the reason Windows malware does not go away on the next boot. Malware modifies boot files on the drive. Linux can help avoid malware, but is no guarantee. If malware takes over, it can do everything the user could do and more, and the hard drive is indeed at risk.

Currently, the way to avoid risking the hard drive is to physically remove the hard drive itself. Drives are easy enough to pull out, but if you want to move them in and out repeatedly, a front-panel dock can be fitted, at least for modern SATA drives. Or the hard drive could move to an external USB box which can be plugged-in or not. Writable flash drives are also at risk and are insecure for booting just like a hard drive.

Frankly, secure browsing would seem to be the ideal use for Puppy Linux. The other distributions will always have more applications and functionality. Hard drive installs can afford to be larger. Optical installs really need a small system just to load in a reasonable time. I for one would be more than happy to trade some added size for reduced startup decompression delays.

Browsing in Puppy without a hard drive is surprisingly convenient. Firefox is necessary for security, but users coming from Windows want every bit of familiarity they can get anyway. Firefox also supports a surprising range of cross-platform add-ons, including many security options and LastPass for passwords. Here is my current Firefox add-on list:
    Adblock Plus
    BetterPrivacy
    Cert Viewer Plus
    DownThemAll!
    Facebook Secure Login
    FireFTP
    Force-TLS
    JSView
    LastPass
    Long URL Please
    MD5 Reborned Hasher
    NoScript
    NoSquint
    Permit Cookies
    Save Complete
    SearchMenu
    Shooter
    SSLPasswd Warning
    Tab Mix Plus
    Uppity
    Weave
    WOT
    Xmarks


The problem for every other Linux distribution is that browser and add-on updates are a way of life, which means either using vulnerable disk storage or making a new DVD every week or even more often. Only Puppy Linux allows updates to be written back to the DVD, so only Puppy offers a practical live DVD environment for browsing.

The current implementation of multi-session updates needs work, probably not so much in burn code as in error handling. Every optical write has a chance of error and so needs verification, and there is a reasonable chance it will not verify. The system needs to support going back for a re-try (if possible), or to start a new disc, or to save in a flash drive, or as an email attachment and so on, anything so the user does not lose data. I have lost data. I have never been able to move from a full DVD to a new one while retaining the current updates and files.

Another issue is that Puppy seems to semi-customize itself for a particular video card, which is fine if we only have one computer, but not so fine if we move from location to location. Oddly, Puppy asks about saving the web connection for next time, but I think the user could easily change that provided the video works.

From what I see, the biggest advantage of Puppy is being ignored, exactly at the time Windows users need it. Windows users are just now waking up to the malware problem being both much more common and more dangerous than previously thought. Moving their browsing into a Puppy DVD could be one of the solutions, but Windows users are not going to stay unless the system is rock-solid when they get here.
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Oct 2009, 14:54    Post subject:  

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e.g. I prefer to carry plastic than cash in my pockets. If I loose the wallet I can put a stop payment on the cards but not on the cash.


I prefer to use cash, because then my transactions can't be tracked. To protect the cash, I carry a gun. Smile

Quote:
As for on-line transactions I have my PayPal account associated with a credit card with a very low credit limit and with a bank account that always has a 0 balance. When I buy something I make the transfer for the exact amount and then submit the payment.


Good idea, thanks for the tip.

Of course, when Obama finds he's inflated the dollar into oblivion, first thing he will do is raid everybody's safe deposit boxes for gold, just like Franklin Roosevelt did. So even if you are not online and use a good (sic) bank, you can lose it all.

Time to stuff your money in a mattress? Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Dec 2010, 01:40    Post subject:
Subject description: BetterPrivacy
 

Is there any reason that BetterPrivacy would not be OK to add to Seamonkey in Puppy?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/6623/

Since it "seeks and destroys" I didn't know if anything unique to the file and folder structure of Puppy might create a problem ...

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