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jemimah


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Oct 2009, 19:07    Post subject:  

It would take a good bit of work to get Flwm to play nice with modern pagers and taskbars. It's on my list of things to do, but not near the top. In other words, it's not EWMH compliant.

You need to run flwm as 'startflwm' to get the theme change thing to work. Otherwise changing the theme will kill X. I'm not sure if you ran it manually as plain 'flwm' or if it's screwing up for other reasons.
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jakfish

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2009, 10:47    Post subject:  

Hi, jemimah,

Is it just me or have you noticed that the newer kernel/and/or/4.3 in 4.3Final raises the eee temperature by several degrees Celsius? In comparision to Puppy 4.1 kernel?

With wifi toggled off and cpu at 12%, running no app other than wine/MS Word 97, the machine eventually goes up to 55C. Whereas in 4.1, I would be b/w 50-52C.

Jake
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2009, 11:15    Post subject:  

I never ran 4.1 so I'm not sure, although I have been annoyed that it seems to suck more watts than Ubuntu. I need to boot ubuntu with my puppy kernel and see if it's the kernel or the xserver that makes the difference or if it's just in my head. Smile

You can get a better idea of this with powertop. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31290

When I post my kernel you should get a better process listing out of powertop and perhaps be able to spot the issue.
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jakfish

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2009, 11:49    Post subject:  

Thanks for the powertop link. And I can't wait to test your eee kernel.

Jake
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2009, 20:36    Post subject:  

I'm pleased to announce that I've discovered a viable laptop-friendly network manager that will run on Puppy! It turns out wpa_supplicant comes with its own gui tool that has a nice systray applet which handles auto-connecting, and roaming with ease and speed, and notifies you of network changes, and just plain works without a lot of headaches. It sounds like wpa_supplicant would only support WPA, but it supports open and WEP networks too. The drawback is that it needs Qt, but in my opinion, the tradeoff is very worth it.
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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2009, 21:37    Post subject:  

Suggestion: Post a pix of it... !!!
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2009, 22:24    Post subject:  

I did attach a jpg right above you there. Smile
Does it not show up?

I'm gonna run it for a week or two to make sure I understand it completely before I make a pet for it.
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Oct 2009, 00:35    Post subject:  

Sorry... I usually post a reduced pix that shows directly on the web page.
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Wed 07 Oct 2009, 08:52    Post subject:  

Does it say somewhere what the maximum size is?

Here are some pix of the applet in action. It doesn't have fancy animations, but it does the job.
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Oct 2009, 12:33    Post subject:  

Just to the left of the attachments [browse] button is: "Allowed Extensions and Sizes".
However it says: "Maximum Upload Size: 0 Bytes", 6 MB was the last I knew...
Maybe Pizzasgood or one of the other moderators can explain?
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magerlab

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Oct 2009, 12:49    Post subject:  

i think the module for cpu fan is needed for the new kernel like we have for 25 kernel for eee cpu fan
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Wed 07 Oct 2009, 13:28    Post subject:  

I'm planning on adding it but I'm curious why people want to mess with the fan at all.

Does the kernel not handle your fan properly all by itself? The only time I've even had fan problems was after installing fan-control software. Are you trying to save power by not running the fan, or what?


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In case someone else has this problem too, I just wanted to mention that the latest bios update from Asus fixed the issue where the cpus would not go into low power mode after waking from suspend. So it was a firmware issue, not a kernel issue. Awesome!
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Wed 07 Oct 2009, 17:12    Post subject:  

More good news. I got a graphical bluetooth wizard to work on puppy. This is ported from gnome...getting the applet to work will be much harder (if not impossible) as I will have to rip out a couple gnome dependencies.
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jakfish

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Oct 2009, 17:36    Post subject:  

If you're looking to conserve power, the fan's specs in BIOS are not your friend, hence the need for manual control. The BIOS specs essentially don't turn the fan off once it's on--the cut-off temperature is 40C, impossible to reach. [I'm using the eee 900 for reference here]

I'm so discouraged by the temperature spiking in the current 4.3 (can't tell if it's the kernel or the puppy) that I've gone back to 4.12 for everyday use.

I have an sd card reserved for 4.3 and the testing of your kernel, but I'm a power junkie--if I have to use an a/c adapter on a netbook, then the battle's lost. Might as well use a regular laptop.

I save 7 seconds on the cold, frugal sd card boot when using 4.3, but suffer a 4 degree Celsius spike. So my fan is on much more in 4.3, and I'm losing battery b/c of it.

I have many fingers crossed for your kernel, but the temperature changes may be within 4.3, not the kernel, I just don't know.

Jake
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01micko


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PostPosted: Wed 07 Oct 2009, 18:14    Post subject:  

Hmmm,

After reading that quote at the top of the page in the Powertop link you would think that the 4.3 kernel would use less power, as it is compiled "tickless". It could be Xorg 7.3. It's been a hassle on some of my old boxes. Maybe I should try ttuuxxx "Puppies 4.3.1.1" on my Eee, it has the same kernel with Xorg 7.0.

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