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#61 Post by Lobster »

Coolpup has suggested
"Support for XFS"
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/

Do not understand if that is viable, required, advisable?

Technosaurus is spreading his wings - compiling pets - well done :)

I would expect 4.4CE to start in 3-4 weeks - after Barry releases 4.3.1
Are Kirk and some of the other developers Raffy has suggested up for
coordinators too?

My feeling is 4.4 should very much be a contribution and basis for Puppy 5
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#62 Post by trapster »

4.3.1 and 4.31

Now that won't confuse too many people.
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#63 Post by DaveS »

trapster wrote:4.3.1 and 4.31

Now that won't confuse too many people.
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#64 Post by trapster »

LOL....I haven't fired that damn thing up for about 2 yrs. If I NEED windows, I usually grab the wife's lappy.
Hmmm......maybe I should wipe the damn thing off of here.
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#65 Post by Lobster »

Gray is too busy to coordinate 4.4 - ah well :(

should we be adding support of this?
http://www.theora.org/
How big? Is there demand?
I have never even heard of it :oops:

Also on
'On-the-fly mounting of SFS's'
- yes that means no rebooting
Is this feasible? How is it done? 8)

Emerging list of objectives here
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy44/
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#66 Post by tronkel »

ttuuxxx's latest 431 seems to me to be a good start on the way to 4.4CE - the inclusion of Firefox plus suitable built-in add-ons to replace Seamonkey and its add-ons would have been the first thing I would have done for a 4.4 (CE). Streamtuner is also a must-have for a lot of users including me. I think Gxine is supposed to do streaming radio too?

So the job is already on the road. There are bits and bobs to sort out too, but nothing too serious.

I am always around here and always have the latest Puppy versions installed. I can't take on a full-time co-ordinator's job (because of work commitments - gotta earn the dosh, lol!), but will lend a hand where possible and test stuff as well.

Oct 29.2009 is when Ubuntu Karmic is due to be released - a big Linux day. Would be nice to extract some kinetic energy from its slipstream (to Puppy's advantage of course) - so something to show from Puppy at that time would be nice.

Puppy in its present form can easily stand on its own four paws against the bigger dogs now. The latest 430 just released does much the same thing for me on my hardware as Ubuntu does. (except run kpatience!).
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#67 Post by DaveS »

tronkel wrote:(except run kpatience!).
Is that like Widows Spyder? If so, TkSpider is the same but a Puppy version. It needs TKL runtime, which puts the size up though.
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#68 Post by tronkel »

DaveS wrote:
Is that like Widows Spyder?
I don't think Windows Spyder is the same thing as Solitaire or its variants (as far as I remember).

KPatience is a collection of KDE card games that includes my favourite Klondike variant. The KDE4 version is the best ever Solitaire version by far IMHO - way in advance of the (much loved) original from Microsoft. This version has a "solver" that can see the end of the game from any point within the game and will let you know if it's possible to win. It warns you if you make a move that will stop you from winning. Put another way, it's possible to get to a win state with every attempt, so you can always have the pleasure of seeing a 100% win statistic!

This is a considerable programming achievement, which as far as I'm aware is unique to this software.

As far as Puppy goes, it would be a bit tricky to include this in the ISO for size reasons. QT (necessary for KDE) for starters takes up considerable space.

A solution would be to make an SFS that contains the minimum KDE packages that would allow KDE applications to run. This would also be handy for those users who want/like other KDE stuff as well - such as K3b burning software for example.

A thought for 4.4CE would be to build such a KDE sfs plugin that provides this core functionality.
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#69 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hi tronkel

as Solitaire games go, I did make a Gnome-Games lite version for Upup some time back that had a real nice card game set, something like 50+ different card games I think, also http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=268387 is a excellent Solitaire game, The graphics are excellent, but it was/is a facebook flash game, I asked the developer if we could use it in puppy, but he never responded back, the slacker.
So its not GPL I guess, Its not really anything, there weren't any legal copyright stuff posted at the time, of lifting off the site, lol.
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#70 Post by tronkel »

OK thanks ttuuxxx. That flash solitaire will suffice to keep the withdrawal symptoms from KPatience at bay.

Grrrrr ...... that flash version doesn't let me cheat though :evil: :roll:

Why is that flash game so unbelievably small?
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#71 Post by Lobster »

There I was trying to learn C++ programming
and before I knew it created this:

CE Registration Program
Compiling details of available participants
for Puppy Community Edition


Download the zip
run the program from the terminal

Code: Select all

# ./cereg 
Attachments
cereg.zip
(5.57 KiB) Downloaded 344 times
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#72 Post by tronkel »

You learn something new every day!
I didn't know Lobster was into C++

One minor point:

You should probably use the the later <iostream> and <fstream> as hash includes rather than the deprecated <iostream.h> and
<fstream.h>

In this case, the older ones work perfectly well though. Interesting to see if you would get a smaller executable from using the later versions though.
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#73 Post by Lobster »

I didn't know Lobster was into C++
Tronkel - I am not - don't tell anyone. It was an accident. :?
The fish must never know. Thanks for the tips.
I just accidentally took a book about c++ out from the library.

Last night I read about objects :oops: Que? :shock:
Today I will have a look at RNG.
Then I will try and write something with an object
- unless my mind objects -which it tends to do . . .

Really I should be using Genie, which is also object orientated
but need the documentation
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/GenieProgramming

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#74 Post by tronkel »

Objects? :D

Here's a Puppy class and object for you

#include <string>

using namespace std;

class Puppy
{

private:
string colour;
int lengthOfTail;
int noOfTeeth;
string name;
string address;

public:
Puppy(); //default ctor
//set, get class data members follow e.g.

int retnoOfTeeth();



};

if you need a Puppy object;

int main()
{

Puppy aPup; //declare a Puppy instance
//do what you need here e.g.
cout << aPup.retnoOfTeeth() << endl;

return 0;

}
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#75 Post by panzerpuppy »

Another very important app to add is memtest86+. Make it executable from the boot menu without starting Puppy, as it was possible in the old versions of Puppy (or Knoppix).
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#76 Post by aragon »

panzerpuppy wrote:Another very important app to add is memtest86+. Make it executable from the boot menu without starting Puppy, as it was possible in the old versions of Puppy (or Knoppix).
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i second both points.

a point about the objectives from page 1:
i think they are all necessary but some are big challenges (not meant negative).

but we should first make clear what will be the future of 4.4 ce? will it be the last 4-series as puppy-5 is next? if so, the hard work might only live in 4.4ce. then it might be more efficient to do 'only' minor updates/changes/... and wait for puppy-5 with the big changes.

i have no idea what's the right decision, i only wanted to mention that point.

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#77 Post by Lobster »

Barry wants time and space to create puppy5
So this gives the chance for a new coordinator to try out
to add any enhancements that arrive (and can then be added
to version 5 easily)
and to have fun
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#78 Post by playdayz »

should we be adding support of this?
http://www.theora.org/
How big? Is there demand?
I have never even heard of it
It is open source video comparable to ogg/vorbis audio so I would hope we could support it. OK, full disclosure, I have never watched a video in theora, but I still think we should.

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#79 Post by technosaurus »

theora requires SDL, not that that would necessarily be a bad thing either, but firefox 3.5 supports it natively as part of its html 5 implementation, I don't know if ttuuxxx's build supports it or not though.
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].

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#80 Post by scsijon »

James C wrote:Why a Puppy 4.4?

Why not. Puppy 5 may be a bit down the road......I assume Barry K has an idea of when it will be possible.looks like there is still a lot of work to do there.

Since it is Barry K's idea for a 4.4, that is good enough for me. :)
I'm not sure anyone has answered this question so i'll put my 5cents in here (we no longer have one and two cent coins).

Consider this:-

ALL x.xCE versions since version 2 have been picked up by most of the computer magazines internationally across the world, whether the magazine was of a linux bent or not! The intermediate releases have sometimes been picked up by the odd magazine.

All those extra people at least knowing about "puppy" at least leads to thought, if not at least a few hundred trials. It's got to be for the good!

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