Puppy 4.4 'Woofy'

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#16 Post by Lobster »

KDE4?
Tronkel that ain't puppy :) Surely too big?

With 4.2 'Deep Thought'
Warren tried to do nothing more than a natural upgrade
and improvement of 4.12
It ended up a very stable, good looking edition
with a lot of work from Ttuuxxx and others
that grew quite organically from initial simple aims.

Many of these improvements were added to 4.3
What we need is someone to co-ordinate that we can all get behind.

A lot of people have suggested 'gray'. Available?
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#17 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hi tronkel A kde4 version sounds nice but, I think our QT in version 4 is too old to use and would have to be upgraded. There's only a couple of people who have compiled QT, the working directory is around 2gigs now, :)
Once someone compiles QT and supplies the Dev's for the devx etc then kde could be possible, But really I think KDE should be a project where a group of people work at it on another thread due to the masses of programs, bugs etc, once that would be built, then the updates could be added to the 4.4 build, I'm sure that some parts of 4 series would have to be upgraded to meet the build requirements.
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#18 Post by tronkel »

OK that's a good point Ttuuxxx.

An SFS similar to what Kirk once built for KDE3 is maybe a better idea therefore here.

As I remember, Kirk's sfs was a vastly cut-down version and was also fast.

When people think of KDE they tend to think big and slow, (just like Windows?). KDE4 has undergone a serious amount of development effort over the last 2 years or so. Previously it would have been out of the question for use in Puppy. During this time Puppy itself is now unrecognisable from what it was then - thanks to the gigantic development effort put in by Barry and the others involved during that period.

Wouldn't like to think therefore, that Puppy is somehow missing out on this latest push with KDE4.

KDE4 is well-liked by many Linux users - and Puppy is Linux after all.

The trick here with KDE4 would be to customise and shrink the size so that it suited Puppy's way of doing things.

LOL, Ttuuxxx is the one with the sharp scissors plus the graphics know-how here. Hint Hint!
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#19 Post by raffy »

Well, kirk has been turning up Fatdog, and there is a discussion here of on-the-fly mounting/unmounting of sfs.

Kirk could well take a shot at 4.4CE with Fatdog.

Gray's work on boxpup is also nice, and it will be interesting if they could be a team to lead 4.4CE.

BTW, take note that the name is gray.
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#20 Post by 01micko »

ok then 440...

Is it to be a woof normal type Puppy, no bloat, or a CE with extras?

Ahhh yes ... CE.... hmmmm.

IMO normal, stick to 100MB. Puplets will follow.
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#21 Post by panzerpuppy »

Here's the essential stuff that should be included in Puppy 4.4:

- Upgrade ALSA to 1.0.21a (loads of bugfixes for every sound chip out there,new drivers for laptop / HDA chips and [at last] SoundBlaster X-Fi support)

- Upgrade X.Org to 7.4 (or 7.5) so we can finally install / use Catalyst drivers for ATI cards
(Catalyst 9.9 and all later drivers [i.e. 9.10 beta] require X.Org 7.4 as a minimum)

- Tcl + Tk packages (needed for all those wonderful Tk apps)

- HTop

- Streamtuner

- Galculator

- Transmission

- AdBlock Plus and NoScript instead of the old and useless Adblock

- Maybe Opera 10.10 (or SeaMonkey 2.0) instead of SeaMonkey 1.1.18 :)

- RemaX

- Upgrade Aqualung to the latest SVN version

- Xarchiver



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#22 Post by DaveS »

Anybody else getting this when they try to access forum pages from the index or page number links?

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#23 Post by SouthPaws »

Yeah... DaveS I'm getting the same thing
but not on everything...

I'm presently viewing through firefox 3.0.14

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#24 Post by DaveS »

Firefox 3.5.2 and Seamonkey 1.1.18 cant seem to handle it. All other web sites in my bookmarks are ok though, including the notorious BBC iplayer........
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#25 Post by aarf »

i am getting the crapola at the top of forum posts only.

i dont know why i have to stick my nose into this but technosarus has also stated a desire/availability to coordinate if i recall correctly. perhaps a separate thread for candidates to self or receive nomination then a vote with override /weight factor for votes from heavy weights-vested interests.

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#26 Post by aarf »

separate thread for crapola here

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#27 Post by Ray MK »

Hi
Agree with panzerpuppy's thoughts and 01micko's - the goodies should be there only if Puppy can be kept lean, mean and fast.

Browser's - Opera10 1st choice then Seamonkey2.

SFS load / unload - on the fly - just like ChoicePup, would be very nice.

Very best regards - Ray

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#28 Post by linuxcbon »

I dont think TCL is mandatory but optional and GTK should be enough for most GUIs.
Adblock, sometimes it blocks needed content.
I prefer firefox.

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#29 Post by James C »

Firefox 3.5.3 and newest Flash.......this combo works fine in the latest Beta.

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#30 Post by ecomoney »

From my studies on our "Linux Newbies", the following usability issues need addressing to allow Puppy Linux to become accessible/useful to more people.

Puppy Linux Mission Statement:

1. Puppy will easily install to USB, Zip or hard drive media
2. Booting from CD, Puppy will load totally into RAM so that the CD drive is then free for other purposes
3. Puppy will be extremely friendly for Linux newbies
4. Puppy will boot up and run extraordinarily fast
5. Puppy will have all the applications needed for daily use
6. Puppy will just work, no hassles
7. Puppy will breathe new life into old PCs

Issues Discovered

The following usability issues have been discovered through testing at The Mission....each issue is listed against the Mission objective number to which it applies.

Objective 3,6 - Graphic Setup is over-complex
The initial xorgwizard setup was found to be too intimidating and complex to new linux users. Defaults "just work" in the majority of cases, especially when the monitor type is detected. A proposed solution is here...

Objective 5 - Puppy is Lacking enough Communication/IM Apps
Increasingly, computers are being used as a communications tool. Puppy lacks dedicated applications for communicating via skype/msn/yahoo/facebook IM. No webcam drivers are installed by default on standard puppy either.

Objective 3, 6 - Accessing peripheral data
When inserting USB Pendrives, CD/DVD's Puppy does not prompt the user for actions to be taken (Open, View, Play, Copy etc). It assumes prior knowledge of Linux Mounting theory which linux newbies do not have, or knowledge of mounting tools such as pDrive/pMount/MUT. This issue is being addressed in part here...

Objective 3, 6 - Ethernet Connectivity
Puppy does not automatically recognise wired ethernet connections (by far the most common type) and connect like other OS's/Distros. It requires the user to be aware of and use the complex internet connection wizard. Opening a browser before this is completed gives "page cannot be displayed", with no explanation to the user as to what the problem may be, or how to remedy the situation. This is being addressed here...

I would also like to draw the 4.4ce projects attention to two other projects to do with Puppies "prime directive"...to install easily.

The first one by members Crash/rcrsn51 to be able to install puppy as the only OS on a computer to old to run a currently supported Windows (i.e. recycle it into a usable item) in under ten minutes (with GRUB autoconfiguration)...

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42660

And also a windows installer for puppy linux by seeker ...which automatically sets up a dual boot with the existing windows, without reformatting.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=44098

Focusing on hardware support/technical aspects, will only help a limited set of people who possess this newer hardware. . Actual usability enhancements have the potential to be of benefit to much more, i.e. get them online using older recycled kit.
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#31 Post by ttuuxxx »

At this point I think I'll be too busy building "Puppy Linux 2.20" to help out with the compiling.
2.20 is basically a woof build of 2.18 with major updates. But I can offer some ideas.
latest Gtk,Glib,Pango,Cairo,Atk. Previous Gtk has issues, the latest cutting edge version is much better.
We've done jwm/icewm maybe its time for xfce with rox? That would be nice, Thunar is just too thunar, lol
If not then at least have 24x24 menu icons all around :)
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#32 Post by dogone »

I'd prefer to see this thread tee off with the following working hypothesis:

"Puppy 4.4CE will be superior to Puppy 4.3 and any other Puppy derivative in the following respects:"

Everyone simply promoting their favorites apps and utilities will not a great Puppy release make. There has to be a central, well defined "reason" for 4.4's existence. What makes 4.4CE imperative? What must the Puppy community have that is not offered in 4.3 or by another existing Puppy derivative?

These questions really need to be addressed BEFORE a 4.4CE project is kicked off.

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#33 Post by Patriot »

Hmmm .....
ecomoney wrote:From my studies on our "Linux Newbies" ..........
Dear God Almighty ..... please save me from this never ending propaganda ... with famine and aggression occurring daily in many world regions, will linux for newbies save all these affected lives ?

( Why are these so-called "issues" are not being directed to our benevolent dictator who has the power to do so since recently ? )

I hereby nominate myself TO NOT coordinate puppy 4.4CE ..... Amen ...

I humbly apologize for my lame and lacking sense of direction in this thread ...

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#34 Post by ttuuxxx »

I nominate Patriot as the next coordinator :shock: sorry Patriot I just couldn't stop myself :wink:
ttuuxxx lol
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#35 Post by ttuuxxx »

If you think about if Patriot was the next leader of 4.4 it could make some real good reading entrainment :)
better yet see below, LOL
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