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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 11:35    Post subject:  

I propose 20XX.X and 20XX.X legacy for the continuation of 4.X (current) and 2.X (LTS) respectively. Any seconds?
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 15:00    Post subject:  

It makes sense for the 2.x series to remain numbered 2.x. It is fundamentally different from the 4.x series. Numbering it anything else would be even more confusing than having two series of the same project. This way, it is clear that they are different, so there is no issue of people thinking that the 2.x based Puppy is a sequel to a 4.x based Puppy, and then the next 4.x based Puppy is the sequel to that 2.x based Puppy. That would be madness. 2.x is 2.x, and 4.x is 4.x.

If people can't figure it out, then we just need better explanations in prominent places.

If they still can't figure it out even after good clear explanations are posted prominently, then they aren't qualified to be changing their OS in the first place, so just don't worry about them.


The only other sane option would be to classify the other series of Puppies under their own names, rather than just "Puppy Linux", so that they can use whatever version numbers they want/need without worrying about confusing people. Which sounds like what Technosaurus has in mind above.

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I propose 20XX.X and 20XX.X legacy for the continuation of 4.X (current) and 2.X (LTS) respectively. Any seconds?
You mean numbered after the current year? If so, then yeah, that sounds good. Helps to pin down just how old any given release is. Just so long as it's made clear that the legacy release is more than a trivial modification of the normal release to fit old hardware. Otherwise people might try treating them interchangeably with bad results.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 15:30    Post subject:  

raffy/ITAmember

raffy wrote:
Great to have Chromium as alternative browser - feel free to make a pet.. People would test it and possibly enjoy it. Smile


There is this Chrome/Firefox/modded 'Firedog' by sc0ttman

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48254

Available as .pet/SHS, I believe

sc0ttman wrote:
I wanna see Firedog used as the default browser in Puppy. Discuss!


Just a messenger....haven't tried it....yet, still using ttuuxxx's Firepup, but certainly looks like a possible contender

Techno?

Re: numbering, I agree with PG - especially after ttuuxxx's efforts have generated so much google traffic as 214XX

more discussion/explanation needed, please

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 19:16    Post subject:  

Well 2.14X is staying 2.14X and then I have 2.20 on the back burner, and also Barry called Upup karmic upup-432.iso I'm building a Karmic right now and I was thinking of calling it upup-444.iso hmmm probably a bad Idea since this is 4.4 . really woof is suppose to be 5 series, I don't see why its called 4 series.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 19:50    Post subject:  

I change the Karmic build to 4.50 so that should work fine now Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 22:15    Post subject:  

Oh. I didn't realize we had that many different projects going on at once. Yeah, then the first half of my post above doesn't help. The second option is the way to go.

We just need to stop focusing so much on the version number. Give each series a name, and do not assume that the version numbers in one series have anything to do with the version numbers in another series.

For example, do you automatically assume that MathCad 7.0 is newer than Firefox 3.0?

Karmic-Puppy should not care what version Puppy is about to use. Karmic-Puppy should just be whatever version Karmic-Puppy wants to be. If you want people to know which Puppy it was based on, just tell them as a separate statement, e.g. "This is Karmic-Puppy 5.42, based on Puppy 4.3". Or maybe use a convention like this:

Karmic-Puppy 5.24 p4.3

(I think that's cumbersome though, especially for puplets based on puplets based on puplets.)

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Nov 2009, 20:33    Post subject:  

The current linux versions of google chrome use SSE2 instructions which aren't supported on P3 and older and AMD athalon and older. I guess chrome's a no go. Sad But google says the the real releases won't use SSE2 and it's for a temporary fix. Maybe in time...
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Nov 2009, 13:56    Post subject:  

I'm testing out the webkit rendering engine with midori and after about a week I finally got everything built. Now I'm working on packaging it all up. But in the meantime I run the v8 javascript benchmark and here's my results on a 2.0 GHz P4 (higher is better)

Midori 0.20.0 + Webkit r50616:
926

SeaMonkey 1.1.11:
38.8

Midori blows SeaMonkey out of the water. Every other benchmark I've seen has webkit based browsers (Safari) ahead of both firefox and chrome. I think we have a speed win. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Nov 2009, 21:31    Post subject:  

Thanks, sounds great - I actually had Midori and webkitgtk in my src directory ready to compile. Have you tested it with the flash and gxine plugins?
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Nov 2009, 22:53    Post subject:  

works with flash but it's kind of buggy. (webkit is to blame) My webkit version (50616) only gets a 93/100 on the acid3 test but webkit uploads new versions every day. Very Happy I think I'm going to try to make some nightly builds for puppy. Haven't tried gxine plugins yet, I'll give that a shot. On the midori website they say it has support for all netscape (and hence firefox) plugins, so we should be good to go.

The only problem is it's extremely unstable. I'm guessing it'swebkit because I keep getting all these x server errors running from the console.

I'm waiting on MU to transfer my pet uploads from ftp.servage.net to dotpups.de.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Nov 2009, 23:13    Post subject:  

I had to update glib, pango, cairo because of dependency issues. I get lots of gtk related errors when I run from the command line so I'm going to update that next and see if that helps with stability.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Nov 2009, 23:36    Post subject:  

try barry's 2.18.3 on ibiblio or you will have to compile it twice to prevent the insert key bug
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov 2009, 18:39    Post subject:  

I installed the libs pet and the dev pet but now I get compile errors. I attached the redirected stderr if you want to take a look at it, reverting back to the gtk included in puppy 4.1.2. Sad

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Nov 2009, 19:33    Post subject:  

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