KDE Puppy is needed now!

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Fox7777 · #1 Post by **Fox7777** » Thu 04 Oct 2007, 00:11

NimbleX, http://www.nimblex.net/ , shows that a 100 MB Linux version with KDE based on Slackware is not only feasible but needed now. How about releasing a 100 MB KDE Puppy based on the latest Puppy 3.0?

betaluva · #2 Post by **betaluva** » Thu 04 Oct 2007, 09:17

just use nimblex,its pretty good as live cd and making a custom version is even better.

darrelljon · #3 Post by **darrelljon** » Thu 04 Oct 2007, 12:12

There already was a KDE Puppy here.

Fox7777 · #4 Post by **Fox7777** » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 00:05

The previous KDE Puppy died out long ago and NimbleX lacks many of the features that Puppy 3.0 has. The best solution is to have one Puppy distro with or without KDE and if Puppy standard doesn't have KDE, have an up to date KDE PetGet that can be easily added.

alienjeff · #5 Post by **alienjeff** » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 01:38

What next? Incessant whining that there isn't a Gnome Puppy?

Lobster · #6 Post by **Lobster** » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 02:02

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/KDE

seldomseen · #7 Post by **seldomseen** » Sat 06 Oct 2007, 07:25

Huh? What do you mean there's no Gnome Puppy?

Seriously, the whole idea of Puppy is small and light. The footprint has grown a heck of a lot since the pre-1.0 Puppy, but that's what happens when you go for newer software and a newer kernel. There's a price for all this extra convenience and cool eye candy, and I've noticed all of my favorite fast/light distros (Zenwalk, Vector, and others) have gained weight along with Puppy.

I really don't see how NimbleX could even get any version of KDE in less than 100 MB without cutting a lot out. KDE's a bloated monster, and not near in keeping with the spirit of the small-and-light that is Puppy.

linuxcbon · #8 Post by **linuxcbon** » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 13:47

KDE is much too big and bloated.

trapster · #9 Post by **trapster** » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 21:11

KDE is much too big and bloated.

Not here!!
with puppy300, my kde355mini_300.sfs is the fastest I've seen since 109.

In fact, I keep renaming the .sfs file and I can't remember how far back it goes...lol

I had to symlink a couple things and haven't figured out the menus yet, but all the kde apps are working.

Fullsize

SirDuncan · #10 Post by **SirDuncan** » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 22:23

Trapster, I just downloaded it and will give it a try with 3.00. It was originally from 2.11. I've been wanting to try out a few KDE apps, so this is great. I far prefer .sfs files for anything large like KDE.

koolie · #11 Post by **koolie** » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 23:11

I have been using KDE since it first appeared in RedHat way back when.
It does tend to be a bit heavy on old machines.
The last distro with KDE that I could run on my old P400 at a decent speed was Mandrake9.2
The last for my old P1000 was Mandriva2005.
Hanging out for Mandriva2008 64bit for my current machine.

I have just done a frugal install of Puppy 2.17.1 on an old P150 with 96MB ram, 2GB HDD.
All the things that Winduz98 couldnt run on this box Puppy does, like flashdrives, xternal HDD etc.
It is happily running KDE-mini at a good speed. Everything works superbly * especially k3b and kfmclient.

HOWTO:
Get dotpup and KDE-mini-211.sfs from: http://puptrix.org/isos/Puppylinux-offi ... ini-3.5.5/
Renumber the 211.sfs file the same as your Puppy version. e.g. 217.sfs
The dotpup must be installed first, or you dont get menus and settings saved.
Then put the .sfs file in the same directory as your pupsave .2fs file.
Reboot, and it should be all working.
* The only quirk I have found with it is: if you set the taskbar width to 100%
it will end up anywhere... like across the middle of the screen. Set to 99% is ok.

Note: if you have EZpup installed you need to get rid of that first, or the dotpup wont install.
If you must have EZpup you can install it after you have KDE set up.

You can use KDE in conjunction with your current window manager (2 taskbars)
by clicking on KDE-3.5.4 in the menus or by typing 'kicker' in a console window.
Or you can run KDE exclusively (better) by starting it with
'xwin startkde' after killing your current WM.

Other Puppy packages with KDE are available at http://dotpups.de/isos/

KDE-mini... five woofs!

raffy · #12 Post by **raffy** » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 23:30

I keep renaming the .sfs file and I can't remember how far back it goes

Maybe you can recall the original name of that sfs?

EDIT: never mind, as koolie already posted a link (see above).

Q · #13 Post by Q » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 05:26

betaluva wrote:just use nimblex,its pretty good as live cd and making a custom version is even better.

or you can get the 69mb version and then add what you need.

If you don't need multimedia and GTK support and other stuff you can get a 69MB version of NimbleX with KDE that can be used with no problem for a great deal of thinkgs if you know your way arround Linux.

http://www.nimblex.net/index.php?option ... &Itemid=55

personally ,I think any version of puppy kick any other distro's ass.........well maybe up till vesrion 2.16 where my winmodem worked

Lobster · #14 Post by **Lobster** » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 09:08

I downloaded -
renamed sfs,
made available with the bootmanager (system menu)
rebooted
and from the prompt (ctrl+ alt + backspace) typed
xwin startkde

got a very bare KDE - no Puppy menu

so . . .
back to prompt
xwin jwm
open console typed
k3b
konqueror
kwrite
kate

anymore programs i can now run from Puppy with the standard sfs?

trapster · #15 Post by **trapster** » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 10:53

Hmmm....I do have EZpup installed, is this the reason we do not get the menus?

Why doesn't the kde-mini-355.pup install with EZpup already loaded?

Any other work around without uninstalling and reinstalling EZpup?

tazoc · #16 Post by **tazoc** » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 12:26

Lobster,
Haven't used it lately, but have you tried the steps in koolie's howto post above, installing KDE-3.5.5.pup before anything else?

In JWM/IceWm you can try running the KDE panel by typing 'Kicker' with a capital 'K' in a terminal.

Also, I think you can find many KDE apps in /opt/kde/share/applications/kde. I'll try it myself when I have a chance.
-TazOC

koolie · #17 Post by **koolie** » Mon 08 Oct 2007, 22:12

If you need more KDE than KDE-mini provides and you have a fast-ish machine,
another option is to run Mepis (or some other distro) in VirtualBox.
It runs very well on Puppy, and all VirtualBox setup info is available in the forums.
I have it running on a AMD1800+ box and it is all good.
On my ASUS AMD-X2-4000 it flies.

Current Mepis is v6.5.02, and is full of good stuff like Kbluetooth and Guarddog.
v7.00 will be out any day now. (IMHO Mepis is the next-best thing to Mandriva).
As a bonus you can run Windoze or any other OS in VirtualBox as well.

koolie · #18 Post by **koolie** » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 04:17

kill icewm
start jwm
install dotpup
reboot
xwin startkde

koolie · #19 Post by **koolie** » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 04:26

Timezones cant be set in KDEmini due to incompatible zoneinfo directory.
You can copy this over from another distro that uses KDE if you have one.
If you cant get hold of it let me know and I can upload it somewhere.
It is 1.5MB... too big for on here.

john biles · #20 Post by **john biles** » Sun 04 Nov 2007, 14:04

TEENpup 2.14 contains around 27 KDE Apps for example: K3B CD Burner, Kpdf, Digikam, Kooka, Kate, KsCD, Kmix, Kopete to just name a few.

All Going well TEENpup 2.14.1 bugfix / Update / More Apps iso will include around 20 more KDE Apps like Kword, Kpresenter, Kspread, Ktorrent, Kaffeine, Karbon,Kchart. (Released hopefully in 2 weeks or less)

All these KDE Apps and a whole lot more running on a Puppy base. Heaven

I have 3 PC's running this setup installed to HD for testing. A Pentium 3 800Mhz, 186mb ram Notebook, A Pentium 3 800Mhz, 128mb ram Laptop and a 2.6Ghz Celeron 512Mb Laptop. While all work fine, DVD playback is a problem on the 2 Pentium 3 PC's. On the Celeron, DVD playback is perfect with Kaffeine.

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