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Puppy Project #3845: solid-state, no-moving-parts computer?
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nate


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PostPosted: Fri 09 Dec 2005, 20:17    Post subject:  Puppy Project #3845: solid-state, no-moving-parts computer?  

http://www.mini-itx.com/news/10246161/

Hey.. just stick in a stick of RAM.. A cf card adaptor and a 512MB card.. and try to fit it into the smallest box possible.

Sweet, eh?

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Flash
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Dec 2005, 23:01    Post subject:  

Sweetest of all would be to do it without any fans at all, in a closed box. Where I live is very dry and dusty. Fans suck in dust, which, for reasons I can't explain, coats everything inside the computer. Electronics and dust aren't a good combination so I take the covers off my computers twice a year to blow them out and I'm always amazed by the amount of dust that comes flying out.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2005, 02:26    Post subject:  

Flash, At least some of the mini-itx based machines have no fan on the processor or power supply. They do have case openings to let the warm air out, though.
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2005, 02:05    Post subject: use an old toaster  

I've heard some have set up one of those mini itx motherboards inside an old toaster..the motherboard is 170mmx170mm
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2005, 04:17    Post subject: best thing since sliced bread  

. . . they are making it the best thing since sliced bread?Embarassed
I wonder if some of the (usually copper based) static coolers - that is they do not use fans would work/fit? Any modders know? HD's are noisy and get hot. So that is toast! Reverse or wire off from the usb a keydrive + one for your data - no CD no floppy. So Puppy is Inside. Usb keydrive (data and 001 is outside. Puppy on USB? Has to be Puppy Rover.

A toast - to Puppy! Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2005, 06:49    Post subject:  

Some of the VIA-based mini-itx boards have relatively slow processors that can be cooled just with aluminium fin-type heatsinks. Also low power consumption means that that power supply does not need a fan either, Barry commented that they are eerily quiet.

If you wanted to use just USB flash drives, most of the USB 2.0 add-on cards come with a single internal and four external connectors. Then just connect a flash drive to the internal connector and put the reuslt into Lobster's Tardis case (bigger on the inside than the outside) and you could have a really small system.
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2005, 14:14    Post subject:  

Lobster, I wouldn't have a hard drive, only a DVD burner and lots of RAM. Later on maybe some flash memory on IDE if it becomes cheap enough. A DVD burner generates a lot of heat but with Puppy it only runs very intermittently. RAM doesn't seem to generate much heat at all.

It should be possible to keep the components inside a sealed case cool enough by transferring their heat to the case which would have fins on the inside for that purpose. Components that generate the most heat could have copper or aluminum strips stuck to them and strung across to conduct their heat directly to the case. I wouldn't like it, but if necessary a small fan could circulate the air inside the case to aid the heat transfer process.

I still haven't figured out whether to put the power supply inside or outside the (sealed) case.
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2006, 19:57    Post subject:  

small quiet pup?
http://www.murga.org/%7Epuppy/viewtopic.php?t=5078
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2006, 20:22    Post subject:  

Mini-ITX BareBones Computer
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/Mini_ITX_Systems/Mini_ITX_BareBones_Computer ($245)

No hard drive or RAM, but its a start...

(Sorry for the cross post - I've been eyeing this thing trying to decide if I really want it.)
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jan 2006, 11:54    Post subject:  

this is about the smallest computer i've seen yet:

http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/index.asp

it's completely solid-state, with a 64MB DoC, so you could install puppy on it, and then flush mount it in your wall or desk. i don't know who's distributing it, but it's about $350.
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jan 2006, 12:16    Post subject:  

psy-fi wrote:
this is about the smallest computer i've seen yet:

http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/index.asp

it's completely solid-state, with a 64MB DoC, so you could install puppy on it, and then flush mount it in your wall or desk. i don't know who's distributing it, but it's about $350.


Distributor page here:
http://www.chippc.com/distribution/results.asp?LETTER=U

They sure do not provide much technical data on their web page.

Sounds interesting though depending on what is actually inside, if it is Linux friendly and not absurdly proprietary like many wireless nics.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jan 2006, 16:21    Post subject:  

http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/flex-jack.asp

This is the weirdest hardware I've heard of for some time -- too bad there is so little information available about it -- Wonder if it actually exists... Get the pdf marketing brochure!

This could be the micro-pup of our dreams -- but may not be x86 -- sold as WinCE only.

Jack-PC EFI 6700/6800
First PoE computer in a Jack, Latest technology including AMD RISC & DDR memory, 4 USB, Audio support, Analog video out, 5W power consumption, fully-managed.

Jack-PC 6700:
• AMD Au1550 Alchemy processor, 333 MHz
RISC (equivalent to 800 GHz x86TC Processor)
Jack-PC 6800/6900:
• AMD Au1550 Alchemy processor, 500 MHz
RISC (equivalent to 1.2 GHz x86TC Processor)

Jack-PC 6700:
32MB DOC/64MB DDR, 400 MHz
Jack-PC 6800/6900:
64MB DOC/128 MB DDR, 400 MHz

http://www.chippc.com

• Power consumption (sleep mode): 0.35W
• Voltage range: 48 VDC nominal 36-56 VDC
Jack-PC 6700:
• Wall-mount power supply input: 5VDC, 2.4A,
Universal 90 – 240V AC 50-60 Hz input
Jack-PC 6800/6900:
• Power over Ethernet IEEE 802.3 af

Physical Characteristics
• Dimensions: 85(W) x85 (D) x43 (H) mm
• Device weight: 120 gr [4 oz]
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jan 2006, 20:24    Post subject:  

Well, according to the AMD website, the Alchemy processor does indeed support Linux:

see here

however, the processor is MIPS-based, so one would have to compile a custom kernel around that architecture. i've never actually used that particular processor, so i'm not sure about any compatibility issues with software originally programmed for x86 processors.

those with more linux knowledge than me (ie: everybody) can check this out:

http://www.linux.sgi.com/mips/mips-howto.html

stiil, if we could get this working, a completely silent and seriously fast system that takes up no desk space and uses only 5W of power soundslike a grand idea.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jan 2006, 12:14    Post subject:  

Here are some more small ones!

http://www.littlepc.com/

http://www.stealthcomputer.com/home.htm

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb 2006, 22:25    Post subject:  

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